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What comes before the Giving? James White and John 6:37

What comes before the Giving? James White and John 6:37

What comes before the Giving in John 6:37? Refutation of Dr. James White

What comes before the Giving in John 6:37?

What comes before the giving in John 6:37? Nothing according to Dr. James White on his October 23, 2017 podcast of the Dividing Line Program (segment starts at 1 hr 2 min 30 second mark). But is James White correct that John 6:37 shows that only unbelievers are given to Jesus? Let’s walk through the context of this verse and compare it to what Dr. White claims is the only proper way to understand this passage.

An important note:

Dr. White defines those who disagree with him as “Anti-Calvinist”, in particular, he identifies a “lady anti-Calvinist”. I appreciate that James White remembers that he reviewed my work on John 6 on the Dividing Line a few years ago. However, for many of us, the term anti-Calvinist is not true or fair. One can vigorously disagree without having an “anti” label attached. Does James White call himself an anti-nonCalvinist? I have never heard him refer to himself that way.

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What can the spiritually dead do?

What can the spiritually dead do?

spiritual-dead The Giving Blog by Cheryl Schatz

1. The spiritually dead can hear

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 

2. The spiritually dead can respond 

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

And those who hear will live!

The screen shot below shows that in John 5:25b to “hear” means to give careful attention to, listen to, heed. It is an active listening that produces an action.

John 5:25b The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

What comes first? The spiritually dead hearing or the coming to life? What do you say?

 

Did Jesus guard the communion table?

Did Jesus guard the communion table?

Guarding the table on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

Guarding the table

In our discussion of Jesus, Judas, and the first communion, a Calvinist pointed me to an article by a Calvinist author. The article was said to refute the idea that Judas was commanded to partake of the first Lord’s Supper. I have already answered the first challenge using the inspired words and grammar from Scripture on my post here. In this new post, I will deal with another challenge that was included in the article by the Calvinist author who claims that Jesus would have guarded the table to keep Judas away from communion.

Guarding the communion table happens when people do not believe that Jesus died for all. It also happens when people believe that leaders have the responsibility to keep the sacrifice of Jesus away from those who are not part of their denomination or from those they consider insincere.

Did Jesus guard the table?

Because of the claim that Jesus would have kept Judas away from the communion table, it is important to look at any warning that Jesus gave before He commanded His twelve disciples to partake. We can look very carefully at all four of the gospels and find nothing that would prohibit any of the disciples from partaking. Jesus did not warn them not to partake and in fact, He did the opposite. Jesus commanded them all to partake of the elements of communion. In Mark 14:22 the term “take” is an imperative. An imperative is a command.

Mark_14_22_imperative on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

Did Jesus Conduct the table properly?

The article by the Calvinist author asks this question.

(3) Did Jesus conduct the Table properly?

Does Paul’s warning in 1 Corinthians 11 change the Lord’s supper from the way that Jesus first established it with the twelve disciples? I believe that Paul changed nothing about Communion, and instead, he upheld the original way it was given.

Jesus established that the meal was for all just as His death was for all.

Paul agrees with Jesus. Paul’s rebuke to the Corinthians about Communion was primarily about the exclusion of people. The Corinthians were not coming together in unity to celebrate but were being divisive and exclusive.

Paul identifies that their coming together as a church brought divisions. 

1 Corinthians 11:18 (NASB) For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it.

Within the one body, there were divisions and factions and in celebrating the meal, they were excluding and separating themselves. 

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For whom did Jesus die? 13 Biblical witnesses on Christ’s death

For whom did Jesus die? 13 Biblical witnesses on Christ’s death

For whom did Jesus Die? on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

For whom did Jesus die? here are two questions of great importance for both Calvinists and non-Calvinists alike. After the two questions and answers, I would like to give a challenge to Calvinists.

For Whom did Jesus die?

Jesus died for:

1. The ungodly – Romans 5:6

2. Sinners – 1 Timothy 1:15

3. Paul – Galatians 2:20; 1 Timothy 1:13-16

4. The World – John 3:17

5. All men – 1 Timothy 2:4, 6

6. All – 2 Corinthians 5:15

7. The Many – Romans 5:15

8. Enemies – Romans 5:10

9. His friends – John 15:13

10. Us – 1 Thessalonians 5:10

11. His sheep – John 10:11

12. The church – Ephesians 5:25

13. You – Luke 22:20 (includes all twelve of the disciples) see my article at https://mmoutreach.org/tg/juda-2

For Whom did Jesus NOT die?

1. ??????? (No Scripture found)

Challenge to Calvinists

1. Can you give even one clear Scripture that says Jesus did NOT die for someone or that He did NOT die for a class of people?

2. “The many” is a term that comes with the article that is synonymous with the “whole” (see screenshot below). Can you find a single lexicon that lists the term “the many” as meaning “a few” or a “small amount”?

 

Roman 5 15 The Many from The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

For whom did Jesus die? He died for all people!

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