{"id":747,"date":"2008-12-03T15:16:49","date_gmt":"2008-12-03T22:16:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=747"},"modified":"2015-03-17T20:20:23","modified_gmt":"2015-03-18T03:20:23","slug":"a-christmas-post-does-the-star-of-bethlehem-belong-to-satan-or-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/12\/03\/a-christmas-post-does-the-star-of-bethlehem-belong-to-satan-or-god\/","title":{"rendered":"A Christmas post &#8211; does the star of Bethlehem belong to satan or God?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>While this post isn&#8217;t exactly a &#8220;Women in Ministry&#8221; post, I think it does highlight the importance of men and women working together in complementary ways for the benefit of the body of Christ and for ministry to the lost. God often uses women in ways that are different than he uses men simply because he has made us to provide what is missing.\u00a0 This is the definition of a helper &#8211; one who provides what the other is lacking.\u00a0 Together men and women can make a great team each uniquely providing their gifts with teaching provided by not just one but both as a full rounded view that is beneficial for the common good.<\/p>\n<p>My gift is seeing outside the box on disputed issues.\u00a0 I have the gift of seeing in scripture what others miss. The article below was written by myself at least ten years ago as an apologetic response to those who see the star of Bethlehem as a satanic tool that was used to guide ungodly men who brought about the deaths of many baby boys in Israel and whose actions also threatened to destroy the Son of God as a child.\u00a0 I think that at this time of year it is a good article to post because there are many naysayers who dispute Christmas as a freedom for Christians to celebrate the birth of the Messiah.\u00a0 I think you will find the following dialog to be an interesting read and could be helpful the next time a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness comes to your door and tells you that Christmas is pagan and the star of Bethlehem was satan&#8217;s star sent by the enemy to bring death and destruction.<\/p>\n<p>The following article is in dialog form for ease of reading.\u00a0 It is a simulated dialog between a\u00a0 Christian named Chris and a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness named Joe.\u00a0 This article has been used by God in a mighty way for many years to free those who used to be bound by the Jehovah&#8217;s Witness religion regarding their fear of Christmas.\u00a0 Those who come out of this false religion remain bound by their traditions until the word of God is used as pure water to wash away the false doctrine. (Note the New World Translation is the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses own in-house translation).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"748\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/12\/03\/a-christmas-post-does-the-star-of-bethlehem-belong-to-satan-or-god\/star3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/12\/star3.jpg?fit=262%2C233&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"262,233\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"cheryl_schatz_star3\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/12\/star3.jpg?fit=262%2C233&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/12\/star3.jpg?fit=262%2C233&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-748\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/12\/star3.jpg?resize=262%2C233\" alt=\"cheryl_schatz_star3\" width=\"262\" height=\"233\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Was the Star of Bethlehem satan&#8217;s star?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">By Cheryl Schatz \/ MM Outreach<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">(original article on line <a title=\"Was the Star of Bethlehem satan's star\" href=\"http:\/\/jwinfoline.com\/Documents\/Christmas\/Was_the_star_of_bethlehem_satans_star.htm\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>found here<\/strong><\/a>)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Joe, can you tell me why the Watchtower believes that the star of Bethlehem was Satan&#8217;s star and that the wise men were led by Satan?<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: I have brought some information from the Watchtower for you to look at Chris. Look at this article in the July 1, 1985 Watchtower. On pages 16 &amp; 17 it says &#8220;<span style=\"color: #0000af;\">Who do you think provided the star that moved in the sky to guide the astrologers? Remember, the star did not guide them directly to Jesus in Bethlehem. Rather, they were led to Jerusalem where they came in touch with King Herod, who wanted to kill Jesus. And he would have done so if God had not stepped in and warned the astrologers not to tell Herod. It was God&#8217;s enemy, Satan the Devil, who wanted Jesus killed, and he used that star to try to accomplish this purpose<\/span>.&#8221; You see, Chris the star that led the magi was Satan&#8217;s star and it was used to try to destroy Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: That is certainly a very interesting premise Joe, but I have never seen it that way from scripture. I&#8217;m wondering if you could answer some questions I have about the story of the star and the wise men found in the Bible.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: I am always willing to answer your Bible questions.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Look at Matthew 2:1 &amp; 2.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: In the New World Translation is says &#8220;After Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, look! Astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, saying: &#8220;Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star (when we were) in the east, and we have come to do him obeisance.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Joe, according to Matthew 2:1 &amp; 2, where did the wise men see the star?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: It says they saw the star when they were in the east.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Does it say that the star led them to Jerusalem?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: Well&#8230;no, it just says that they saw the star in the east. But it had to lead them to Jerusalem or else how did they get there?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #af0000;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Obviously they knew something about the Jews and their religion because the Bible says that they knew that the star was connected with the long-awaited king of the Jews. If they were aware of the Jew&#8217;s belief in a coming king, where do you think that they would look to find the king?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: Jerusalem was the logical choice as it was the capital city and had the throne of king Herod.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: That&#8217;s right, Joe. Logically Jerusalem would be the place to start their search for the king. But can you find any verse that says that the star led the wise men to Jerusalem?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: Hmmm. Well, no I guess there isn&#8217;t any verse. We just assume that the star led them to Jerusalem because Satan wanted Jesus killed.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: You know Joe, there is a verse that talks about the star leading the magi. Have a look at Matt. 2:9.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: It says, &#8220;When they had heard the king, they went their way; and, look! the star they had seen (when they were) in the east went ahead of them, until it came to a stop above where the young child was.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Joe, did the star lead the magi to Jesus?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: Yes, it did. But it was Satan&#8217;s star.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Look at verse 12. Who gave the wise men direction in a dream?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: It says &#8220;However, because they were given divine warning in a dream not to return to Herod, they withdrew to their country by another way.&#8221; Here Jehovah warned the wise men to stay away from Herod but he had to do this or else Herod would have killed Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: If the star of Bethlehem was satan&#8217;s star, then satan <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">goofed<\/span><\/strong>! He should have sent the star to direct Herod not the wise men. You see the wise men were <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">obedient<\/span><\/strong> to Jehovah, but Herod obviously was not.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: The star couldn&#8217;t have been Jehovah&#8217;s star. There is no reason to send pagan astrologers to Jesus other then to stir up Herod to try to kill Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Joe, if the magi were pawns of satan and influenced by him, then they would not have obeyed Jehovah&#8217;s warning in a dream. The fact that they obeyed Jehovah proves that they were sent by him.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: So, they obeyed him that proves nothing.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Jehovah could easily have stopped the wise men from finding Jesus just as He stopped Herod from finding Jesus. But the wise men provided something for his Son that was needed because of an <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">important prophecy<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: What do you mean?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Matthew 2:15 quotes a prophecy from Jehovah about His Son being in Egypt. And verse 18 is another prophecy quoted about the death of the young children that would be killed by Herod. It was no surprise to Jehovah that Herod would cause the death of many children in an attempt to kill Jesus. Jehovah already knew this and gave a prophecy to show that He was prepared for this event. How would Jehovah provide protection for Jesus?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: He would send Jesus and his parents into Egypt.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: If Jehovah <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">already knew<\/span><\/strong> that his Son would need to go to Egypt just as Jehovah prophesied, what did He prepare to <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">provide financially<\/span><\/strong> for his Son in Egypt?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000af;\"><strong>Joe<\/strong><\/span>: I&#8217;ve never thought of that question before. I don&#8217;t know.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ea0023;\"><strong>Chris<\/strong><\/span>: Just think, Joe. The wise men brought very expensive gifts to the young child Jesus. These gifts were worth enough to finance the stay in Egypt of God&#8217;s Son. These men brought <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Jehovah&#8217;s financial provision<\/span><\/strong> for Jesus and not until <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">after<\/span><\/strong> the magi left were Jesus&#8217; parents instructed to flee to Egypt. Now Joe, whose star do you think the star of Bethlehem really was?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>While this post isn&#8217;t exactly a &#8220;Women in Ministry&#8221; post, I think it does highlight the importance of men and women working together in complementary ways for the benefit of the body of Christ and for ministry to the lost. 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