{"id":67,"date":"2006-12-13T06:22:13","date_gmt":"2006-12-13T13:22:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2006\/12\/13\/can-only-men-judge-right-from-wrong-in-the-church\/"},"modified":"2006-12-13T06:22:13","modified_gmt":"2006-12-13T13:22:13","slug":"can-only-men-judge-right-from-wrong-in-the-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2006\/12\/13\/can-only-men-judge-right-from-wrong-in-the-church\/","title":{"rendered":"Can only men judge right from wrong in the church?"},"content":{"rendered":"

I read with interest Wayne Grudem’s claim<\/a> that 1 Cor. 14:34 means that women are to “keep silent”regarding weighing of the oral prophecies in the assembly. While I respect Mr. Grudem as a brother in Christ, I am wondering how he can separate women from the responsibility of judging when scripture says that we all have the responsibility to judge. Judging is not a male<\/u> activity, but an activity of the mature<\/u> Christian. Paul had already told the Corinthian church that the saints will judge the world. 1 Corinthians 6:2 says:<\/p>\n

1 Cor. 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to<\/span><\/em> constitute<\/span><\/em> the smallest law courts?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Paul said that the saints will not only judge the world, but we will judge angels! 1 Corinthians 6:3 says:<\/p>\n

1 Cor. 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This is not a male<\/u> matter of judging, but an activity of the saints<\/u>. If women are also going to judge the world and the angels, shouldn’t they be allowed to judge matters in the church relating to truth and error and the bible? Nowhere in scripture does it say that women are not allowed to judge. In fact God himself set Deborah up as a judge in the Old Testament. Where is there any law<\/u> in scripture that forbids women from judging truth from error in the congregation? There is none!<\/p>\n

In 1 Cor. 14:29 it does not say that there is a responsibility for males alone<\/u> to judge. Instead it is the congregation who must learn to be mature and judge between truth and error. “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment.”<\/p>\n

I respectfully say that Mr. Grudem may be fulfilling 1 Cor. 12:21 “And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” Is there really no need of women to be mature and judge between truth and error in the body of Christ? Can men do this *alone<\/u>* and they don’t need women? I don’t think we have a right to tell women that they cannot participate in the mature responsibility of the entire body to judge prophesy. Women must be allowed to be mature and to judge right from wrong. If Paul really was claiming that women were not allowed to judge prophesy, then he was contradicting himself when he pushed the saints on to maturity by telling them that judgment is a Christian thing that we will all be required to do. Indeed, judging in a mature and honorable way is not as Mr. Grudem claims only a male activity – it is an activity that is to be practiced by all mature members of the body of Christ – even women!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I read with interest Wayne Grudem’s claim that 1 Cor. 14:34 means that women are to “keep silent”regarding weighing of the oral prophecies in the assembly. While I respect Mr. Grudem as a brother in Christ, I am wondering how he can separate women from the responsibility of judging when scripture says that we all have the responsibility to judge. Judging is not a male activity, but an activity of the mature Christian. Paul had already told the Corinthian church…<\/p>\n

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