{"id":610,"date":"2008-10-24T13:00:52","date_gmt":"2008-10-24T20:00:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=610"},"modified":"2015-04-20T21:15:02","modified_gmt":"2015-04-21T04:15:02","slug":"anne-graham-lotz-and-800-pastors-shame","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/10\/24\/anne-graham-lotz-and-800-pastors-shame\/","title":{"rendered":"Anne Graham Lotz and 800 pastors&#8217; shame"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"612\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/10\/24\/anne-graham-lotz-and-800-pastors-shame\/annegrahamlotz2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/annegrahamlotz2.jpg?fit=615%2C335&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"615,335\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"annegrahamlotz2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/annegrahamlotz2.jpg?fit=300%2C163&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/annegrahamlotz2.jpg?fit=615%2C335&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-612\" title=\"annegrahamlotz2\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/annegrahamlotz2.jpg?resize=500%2C272&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"272\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/annegrahamlotz2.jpg?w=615&amp;ssl=1 615w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/annegrahamlotz2.jpg?resize=300%2C163&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a title=\"CBMW on Anne Graham Lotz\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Blog\/Posts\/Anne-Graham-Lotz-and-Women-in-Church-Leadership\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>CBMW relates a story<\/strong><\/a> told by Anne Graham Lotz in the <a title=\"Anne Graham Lotz in the Washington Post\" href=\"http:\/\/newsweek.washingtonpost.com\/onfaith\/guestvoices\/2008\/09\/jesus_calls_women_to_serve_and.html\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Washington Post<\/strong><\/a> where Mrs Lotz writes:<\/p>\n<div class=\"entry-body\" style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<blockquote><p>What legitimate, Biblical role do women have within the church? That question demanded an answer early in my ministry when I accepted an invitation to address a large convention of pastors.<\/p>\n<p>When I stood in the lectern at the convention center, many of the 800 church leaders present turned their chairs around and put their backs to me. When I concluded my message, I was shaking. I was hurt and surprised that godly men would find what I was doing so offensive that they would stage such a demonstration, especially when I was an invited guest. And I was confused. Had I stepped out of the Biblical role for a woman? While all agree that women are free to help in the kitchen, or in the nursery, or in a secretary&#8217;s chair, is it unacceptable for a woman to take a leadership or teaching position?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While CBMW writer <a title=\"Anne Graham Lotz article at CBMW\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Blog\/Posts\/Anne-Graham-Lotz-and-Women-in-Church-Leadership\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Brent Nelson<\/strong><\/a> writes about the en masse action of many of the 800 pastors in a negative fashion&#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Such a shameful event should have never happened.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;what action does he say should have happened?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I grieve that someone in a decision-making role, did not wisely <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">preclude a woman from speaking<\/span> to a large group of pastors who chose to express their biblically sound concerns in such a shameful fashion.\u00a0 The commands to speak the truth in love (<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span class=\"lbsBibleRef\">Ephesians 4:15<\/span><\/span>), are equally as important to obey as the command for a woman not take spiritual authority over men. (emphasis added by WIM)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While CBMW&#8217;s article says that women are not to be elders or pastors and this is apparently the &#8220;clear&#8221; prohibition that CBMW espouses, Anne Graham Lotz doesn&#8217;t appear to be either an elder or a pastor.\u00a0 What Mrs. Lotz does in her ministry is preach the good news to whoever the Lord Jesus brings in her pathway.\u00a0 <a title=\"Anne Graham Lotz in the Washington Post\" href=\"http:\/\/newsweek.washingtonpost.com\/onfaith\/guestvoices\/2008\/09\/jesus_calls_women_to_serve_and.html\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>She writes<\/strong><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mary Magdalene was actually the very first evangelist! Since Jesus had obviously been present when Peter and John were there, why did He withhold Himself from them, but reveal Himself to Mary? He could so easily have given the task of announcing His resurrection to Peter and John, but instead He had given it to Mary. I believe He was making an undeniable, obvious statement that reverberates through the centuries, right up until our own day. Women are commanded and commissioned to serve Jesus Christ in whatever capacity He calls them, within or without the organized church, in word or in deed.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>CBMW writer Brent Nelson agrees that Mary was commissioned to preach the gospel of the resurrection to the Lord&#8217;s disciples, but this doesn&#8217;t support Anne Graham Lotz.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mary seeing Jesus and being commissioned to tell the disciples of his rising is indeed an honor, but certainly does not qualify her to take the role of an Elder or Pastor to men.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While I will not be discussing women elders or pastors in this article, CBMW&#8217;s article appears to be a sleight of hand bringing confusion regarding official positions of ordination with the call to preach and teach outside of ordination.\u00a0 This confusion is precisely what CBMW itself seeks to avoid when they state that women can minister but not have a &#8220;pastorate&#8221;.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Imprecision is the handmaid of confusion, and confusion the prelude to bondage (<span class=\"lbsBibleRef\">John 8:32<\/span>). We would do well to make a distinction between women in ministry (which the Bible affirms) and women in the pastorate (which the Bible forbids &#8211; <span class=\"lbsBibleRef\">1 Timothy 2:12<\/span>).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Is Anne Graham Lotz called by God to ordination?\u00a0 She says no:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This space is not long enough to address the issue of ordination which carries with it the right to marry, bury, baptize, and have authority over church members. <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">I do <strong>not<\/strong> believe God has called me to be ordained<\/span>, but I know many women who believe He has called them. Some of these women pastor in countries where the male leadership has been decimated by persecution and imprisonment, and out of necessity they have stepped up to fill the void. (emphasis added by WIM)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What is Anne Graham Lotz called to do?\u00a0 She writes about what the Lord&#8217;s commission means to her:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For me, it means going wherever God sends and <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">giving out His Word<\/span> to whomever He puts in front of me.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So if Anne Graham Lotz is not called to be ordained as a pastor and she is not ordained as an elder, then why would 800 pastors have &#8220;biblical sound concerns&#8221; to have her speak to them as an invited guest speaker?\u00a0 Again CBMW&#8217;s Brent Nelson writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I grieve that someone in a decision-making role, did not wisely <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">preclude a woman from speaking<\/span> to a large group of pastors who chose to express their biblically sound concerns in such a shameful fashion.\u00a0 The commands to speak the truth in love (<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span class=\"lbsBibleRef\">Ephesians 4:15<\/span><\/span>), are equally as important to obey as the command for a woman not take spiritual authority over men. (emphasis added by WIM)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The mindset of CBMW is that women are not allowed to preach the gospel to Christian men because this constitutes taking &#8220;spiritual authority&#8221; over men.\u00a0 It is only a smokescreen in this case when they say that the Bible forbids women to be pastors and elders, because this has nothing to do with Mrs. Lotz.\u00a0 Anne Graham Lotz is an evangelist not a pastor or an elder, yet she is forbidden according to CBMW, to preach the good news to pastors while they can at the very same time agree that Mary was commissioned by Jesus to preach the good news to the disciples.\u00a0 CBMW affirms that Jesus&#8217; commission for Mary was a godly thing for a woman to obey.\u00a0 This sleight of hand and confusing talk brings great harm to the body of Christ when women are hindered from speaking the truth of God&#8217;s word to the body of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>CBMW&#8217;s answer to a woman&#8217;s preaching the gospel to Christian men is that she should be hindered, stopped and forbidden from speaking in the first place.\u00a0 According to this CBMW article it would be a wise male leader who should have stood in the way of Anne Graham Lotz and prevented her from speaking the gospel to these Christian men.\u00a0 CBMW lifts up the pastors who turned their backs on Mrs. Lotz as godly men who showed their biblical concern in the wrong way.\u00a0 By turning their backs on Mrs. Lotz, these pastors were not preventing her from speaking to them, they were only showing a shameful action of contempt.\u00a0 Would CBMW&#8217;s counsel to these pastors have them walk out en masse instead of merely turning their backs?<\/p>\n<p>Apparently CBMW believes that there were two shameful actions that happened the day Anne Graham Lotz spoke to those 800 pastors.\u00a0 The first shameful action was the men who turned their backs toward a godly sister in Christ.\u00a0 The other &#8220;shameful&#8221; action was apparently the mere fact that Mrs. Lotz would dare to speak the gospel in the presence of Christian men and that a Christian leader would dare to allow her to speak.\u00a0 CMBW&#8217;s Brent Nelson writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>At the end of the day, it is the role of pastors and men to lead their congregations and families in understanding God&#8217;s design for the home and the church. When this kind of biblical leadership is lacking, sadly <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">shameful <strong>things<\/strong> can happen<\/span>. (emphasis is added by WIM)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">CBMW through sleight of hand has now added to the scriptures that only men may <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">lead<\/span> Christians in the church and in the family towards understanding God&#8217;s design.\u00a0 Shame on CBMW for spiritually turning their back on God&#8217;s gifted women, and thus God himself by adding to God&#8217;s word things that God never said.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Listen to what CBMW believes Christian men shouldn&#8217;t be able to hear Anne Graham Lotz preach and apparently use their CBMW-based conscience to walk out:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a title=\"Anne Graham Lotz Just Give me Jesus\" href=\"http:\/\/www.godtube.com\/view_video.php?viewkey=a23ba8b0de08ea966917\" target=\"_blank\">Anne Graham Lotz Just Give me Jesus<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a title=\"Pursuing more of Jesus\" href=\"http:\/\/www.godtube.com\/view_video.php?viewkey=43ec788887adf1f0e5d1\" target=\"_blank\">Pursuing More of Jesus with Anne Graham Lotz<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>CBMW relates a story told by Anne Graham Lotz in the Washington Post where Mrs Lotz writes: What legitimate, Biblical role do women have within the church? 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