{"id":560,"date":"2008-10-02T23:54:29","date_gmt":"2008-10-03T06:54:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=560"},"modified":"2015-04-20T21:21:45","modified_gmt":"2015-04-21T04:21:45","slug":"let-her-learnor-not","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/10\/02\/let-her-learnor-not\/","title":{"rendered":"Let her learn&#8230;.or not?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"566\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/10\/02\/let-her-learnor-not\/learn\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/learn.jpg?fit=175%2C350&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"175,350\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"learn\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/learn.jpg?fit=150%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/learn.jpg?fit=175%2C350&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-566 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/learn.jpg?resize=175%2C350\" alt=\"\" width=\"175\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/learn.jpg?w=175&amp;ssl=1 175w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/learn.jpg?resize=150%2C300&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 175px) 100vw, 175px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p>In our continuing discussion of 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, we come to the problematic area of learning.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What can we pull out regarding &#8220;learning&#8221; in this verse?\u00a0 We can see that if a woman has a desire to learn, she isn&#8217;t encouraged to do it in church.\u00a0 Where is she supposed to learn?\u00a0 Her learning is to be done under her husband&#8217;s permission and it is to be done at home.<\/p>\n<p>The requirement that a woman is not to learn in public is not a Christian regulation but a part of the &#8220;law&#8221; of the Jews.\u00a0 Women were not to be taught the scriptures according to the oral tradition of the Jews.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Because she was not allowed to touch the scriptures and so she didn&#8217;t need to be a rabbinical student and publicly learn.\u00a0 She also would have no one to teach the scriptures to since the men were considered to be the ones who had the responsibility to handle and teach the Torah.\u00a0 Women need not learn.\u00a0 They were not qualified to learn.<\/p>\n<p>In previous posts we have been listing the markers in 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 that prove that Paul was quoting from the Corinthians and then refuting their claims in verse 36.\u00a0 The wording about women learning at home (v. 35) instead of in the assembly once again ties these verses into man-made tradition.<\/p>\n<p>But this isn&#8217;t Paul&#8217;s way nor is it God&#8217;s way.\u00a0 Paul had just told us in verse 31:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1 Corinthians 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one, <strong><em>so that all may learn<\/em><\/strong> and all may be exhorted<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not only were all allowed to prophesy in the assembly, but the public prophesying was so that <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>all<\/strong><\/span> may learn in that public assembly.\u00a0 The learning was done by all just as the prophesying was done by all.\u00a0 All may learn publicly.\u00a0 Paul does not relegate women to learning at home.\u00a0 He allows them to learn in the assembly since it is the body of Christ (not just a woman&#8217;s husband) who are responsible for helping her to learn.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Up to this point, I probably have most complementarians saying amen along with me.\u00a0 Yes, most will say, it is God&#8217;s will for women to learn.\u00a0 Then I ask, why don&#8217;t some complementarians let her learn?<\/p>\n<p>John MacArthur is one such example.\u00a0 Although his sermons on 1 Timothy 2:11 make it clear that Paul is taking a counter-cultural move by instructing that a woman is to learn, there are some problems.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1 Timothy 2:11 Let a woman learn&#8230;..<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So why does John MacArthur teach that it is so important to let a woman learn and then he doesn&#8217;t let women learn?\u00a0 In John MacArthur&#8217;s Master&#8217;s Seminary, he will not enroll women and let them learn.\u00a0 Now some might say that this is understandable because John MacArthur&#8217;s Master&#8217;s Seminary is for the training of pastors and all the learning that is done is directed towards a pastoral ministry.\u00a0 So?\u00a0 Let women learn.\u00a0 But some may say, if they learn they may want to do the work of a pastor.\u00a0 So?\u00a0 Let them learn.\u00a0 Where does it say in scripture that we are allowed to stop women from learning?\u00a0 Where are men allowed to take upon themselves a God-given right to stop women from learning?\u00a0 Please provide chapter and verse for a restriction on women&#8217;s learning.<\/p>\n<p>The Jews through their oral traditions stopped women from learning in their assemblies because women were not allowed to handle God&#8217;s word.\u00a0 They didn&#8217;t believe there was any use in teaching a woman the Torah because she was not allowed to use it.<\/p>\n<p>John MacArthur will not allow women into his seminary to learn.\u00a0 Is his seminary afraid to teach a woman in the seminary because she is not allowed to handle God&#8217;s word authoritatively and if they instruct her how to teach in an authoritative manner, then they might also be responsible if she does something illegal with the Word of God?\u00a0 So she is stopped from learning because of what she might do with her learning?\u00a0 Doesn&#8217;t this sound like the Jewish tradition?<\/p>\n<p>Let her learn?&#8230;.or not?\u00a0 What do you say?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In our continuing discussion of 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, we come to the problematic area of learning. 1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home&#8230; 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