{"id":459,"date":"2008-09-16T15:58:49","date_gmt":"2008-09-16T22:58:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=459"},"modified":"2017-06-16T20:16:33","modified_gmt":"2017-06-17T03:16:33","slug":"the-elusive-law","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/09\/16\/the-elusive-law\/","title":{"rendered":"The elusive law"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 has been a problem passage because of two issues that stick out like a sore thumb.\u00a0 The first issue is the elusive law.<\/p>\n<p><img data-attachment-id=\"3605\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/09\/16\/the-elusive-law\/elusive-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/09\/elusive-1.jpg?fit=350%2C243&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"350,243\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"elusive\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/09\/elusive-1.jpg?fit=300%2C208&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/09\/elusive-1.jpg?fit=350%2C243&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-3605\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/09\/elusive-1.jpg?resize=350%2C243&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Elusive law on Women in Ministry by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"350\" height=\"243\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/09\/elusive-1.jpg?w=350&amp;ssl=1 350w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/09\/elusive-1.jpg?resize=300%2C208&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The problem that occurs in this passage is that the &#8220;law&#8221; is the key reference for the required silence.\u00a0 Many have tried to ignore this &#8220;elusive&#8221; law making their interpretation around it.\u00a0 This has resulted in the silencing of women from asking their husbands questions in the assembly.\u00a0 But where is this &#8220;elusive&#8221; law found that silences only women from asking questions in the assembly?\u00a0 Paul doesn&#8217;t say that it is disruptive to talk in the assembly.\u00a0 The wording is a direct prohibition attached to an existing &#8220;law&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Some have tried to &#8220;shoe horn&#8221; Genesis 3:16 as a &#8220;law&#8221; that silences women.\u00a0 This connection is not possible.\u00a0 For women like myself who have very supportive husbands who encourage me to use my gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ (including benefiting men), I am not being silenced at all by Genesis 3:16 no matter how the &#8220;he will rule over you&#8221; is taken.<\/p>\n<p>So where is the &#8220;law&#8221; that silences women in the assembly?\u00a0 One cannot interpret this passage without finding the elusive law.<\/p>\n<p>I will let my readers answer this one before we continue on with 1 Corinthians 14.\u00a0 What do you think?\u00a0 Why is there a &#8220;law&#8221; quoted in 1 Cor. 14:34 that cannot be found in the Old Testament?\u00a0\u00a0 Have you heard of any other reference to a &#8220;law&#8221; from the Old Testament?\u00a0 Is it possible that verse 34 is a <strong>new<\/strong> law that Paul has just created?\u00a0 Why or why not?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 has been a problem passage because of two issues that stick out like a sore thumb.\u00a0 The first issue is the elusive law. 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