{"id":227,"date":"2008-05-11T16:11:52","date_gmt":"2008-05-11T23:11:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=227"},"modified":"2017-06-18T14:59:26","modified_gmt":"2017-06-18T21:59:26","slug":"only-one-verse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/05\/11\/only-one-verse\/","title":{"rendered":"Only one verse prohibits women to teach men?"},"content":{"rendered":"

In my continuing review of CARM and Matt Slick\u2019s articles on women in ministry, this post is about Matt\u2019s article titled \u201cOnly one verse prohibits women to teach men, so it doesn\u2019t apply to the whole church<\/strong><\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n

Matt writes:<\/p>\n

First of all, if it is true that the Bible teaches women shouldn’t teach men, even if it is only once, then the argument is settled. Once should be enough.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The first thing should be obvious in that the scriptures don\u2019t say \u201cwomen shouldn\u2019t teach men\u201d. The bible says the prohibition is concerning \u201ca woman\u201d and \u201ca man\u201d. If this is taken to be universal it would stop not just a woman from teach men but a woman from teaching a single man.<\/p>\n

Secondly a prohibition is always stated more than once in scripture because the law states that a person cannot be charged with only one witness. As a result every single universal prohibition by God is stated with at least the \u201ctwo or three witnesses\u201d that are required. So if we see that God is forbidding any woman from teaching any man (using the generic) then we have a problem because this would make a prohibition unlike any other prohibition in the bible. For more information see my 4 articles on \u201cDoes God have one unique law?\u201d
\n https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2006\/11\/29\/does-god-have-one-unique-law-part-one\/<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2006\/12\/07\/does-god-have-one-unique-law-part-two\/<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2006\/12\/09\/does-god-have-one-unique-law-part-three\/<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2007\/01\/19\/what-law-does-satan-agree-with\/<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

If God made a gender specific prohibition that is only stated once and not repeated as all the other prohibitions are repeated, we need to ask why? Does God make an exception for women so that he doesn\u2019t care if women understand the prohibition so that they can obey? These are important questions and deserve to be answered.<\/p>\n

Matt continues:<\/p>\n

First of all, 1 Tim. 2:12 is within the context of Paul’s comment in 1 Tim. 3:15, which says, “but in case I am delayed, I write so that you may know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.” So, the context of 1 Tim. 2:12 is within Paul’s instructions for the church, the household of God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What Matt fails to tell us is that Paul\u2019s comment throughout the entire book is to Timothy<\/strong>, not directed to the church. The verse that he quotes from 1 Timothy 3:15 is in the singular<\/strong> not plural. To see this for yourselves you can go to scripture4all.org web site for 1 Timothy 3 and scroll down to verse 15. http:\/\/scripture4all.org\/OnlineInterlinear\/NTpdf\/1ti3.pdf<\/a><\/strong> The singular grammar is marked by the sg. Here anyone can clearly see that Paul is not saying “I wrote so that you all (plural) know how to act” but rather “I wrote so that you (singular) know how to act…” It is written to Timothy so that he is to know how he should conduct himself in the family of God (not in a building but in the body of Christ). Since the grammar is singular and not plural as to multiple people, then 1 Timothy 3:15 is consistent with a letter to an individual (Timothy). Matt does not explain that the grammar is singular, not plural as he hints it is. What Paul is doing is writing a personal letter to Timothy that we can learn from, but it is written specifically to Timothy and not to the church. It is for Timothy (singular) to know how to act with deceived teachers, widows, elders, etc. Matt should know this since he claims to know Greek grammar.<\/p>\n

Matt continues:<\/p>\n

Third, how many times does God have to say something for it to be true? Since the command is given, admittedly only once, and since it is in the context of how we are to conduct ourselves in the household of God, then we can conclude that once is enough.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Matt admits that the prohibition is only given once. If there was a universal prohibition that was only repeated once Matt certainly would have included it in his argument. The fact is that there no such universal prohibition that is not repeated so there was no universal prohibition for him to quote. Matt does not address the oddity of a universal prohibition that goes against the norm. Instead he says that God only needs to say a prohibition once. I refer back to my articles on \u201cDoes God have one unique law\u201d for the reasoning why God always repeats his laws. Even in the 10 commandments when God gave the prohibition to Moses and Israel, he did not give it only once. God gave the 10 commandments verbally once, written on stone twice and then it was repeated throughout scripture again. God is a God who repeats his prohibitions because he loves us and wants us to know what sin is. God is a God who repeats his prohibitions not because he needs to but because he loves us and wants us to know what sin is, to be convicted of sin and to stay away from sin.<\/p>\n

While refusing to stick with my contention that a universal law must be repeated, Matt changes the issue to a universal command. Matt says:<\/p>\n

Fourth, if something must be mentioned twice for it to be applied to the church universally, then what do egalitarians do with Hebrews 10:25 which says, “not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.” If a universal command for the church needs to appear more than once, then Hebrews 10:25 is not for the whole Church. Is this a sound principle on which to derive doctrinal truths? Not at all.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Hebrews 10:25 is a command but not a universal prohibition. Yet even as a command, there is much in scripture that encourages Christians to come together and to encourage one another so it is repeated in different ways but with the same encouragement. One example is 1 Cor. 14 where Paul gives freedom for all to prophesy so that all may learn and all may be edified.<\/p>\n

Matt writes:<\/p>\n

Also, what about Matt. 28:19-20, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.\u201d The Great Commission is only given once by Jesus. Does there need to be a second witness for it to apply to the Christian church as a whole? Of course not.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Here Matt gives another example which is not a universal prohibition. The fact is that every single universal prohibition is stated more than once and Paul says that the repetition is for our safety (see my articles above on \u201cOne unique law\u201d).<\/p>\n

Once again Matt has not proven his point. On the contrary, he is stuck with having to admit that there is no universal prohibition that is only repeated once except for what would certainly be an oddity if it indeed was a universal prohibition (1 Timothy 2:12). His examples are not universal prohibitions and it is our conclusion that 1 Timothy 2:12 fails the test of all universal prohibitions.<\/p>\n

But God\u2019s ways are consistent. God warns and warns and warns us of sin because God loves us. He does not give universal prohibitions from a man saying \u201cI am not allowing\u201d nor does he use obscure language that our generation is struggling to understand (authenteo), but he lovingly guides by sending his messengers over and over again to warn of sin. Is it God\u2019s way to repeat the warning of sin? Absolutely! We can see this over and over again in the Old Testament. God is merciful and kind and it is his desire not to confuse people about sin, but to make the charge of sin clear and understandable. He sends his word to us many times so that we can be convinced of sin. This is our God and he is a gracious and merciful God. He is not the God who says I told you once and I am not repeating myself. No our God, the Lord Jesus Christ, teaches and instructs and loves us over and over again so that we do not sin against him.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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