{"id":2228,"date":"2010-08-03T18:56:42","date_gmt":"2010-08-04T01:56:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=2228"},"modified":"2016-09-18T20:09:28","modified_gmt":"2016-09-19T03:09:28","slug":"a-woman-anaphoric","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/08\/03\/a-woman-anaphoric\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;A woman&#8221; in 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 as an anaphoric reference"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"2229\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/08\/03\/a-woman-anaphoric\/twins\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/twins.jpg?fit=420%2C280&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"420,280\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Anaphoric reference in 1 Timothy 2:12 on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/twins.jpg?fit=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/twins.jpg?fit=420%2C280&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2229\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/twins.jpg?resize=420%2C280\" alt=\"Anaphoric reference in 1 Timothy 2:12 on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"420\" height=\"280\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/twins.jpg?w=420&amp;ssl=1 420w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/twins.jpg?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 420px) 100vw, 420px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">In a recent <strong><a title=\"Neopatriarch once again fails to refute Cheryl Schatz\" href=\"http:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2009\/09\/30\/neopatriarch-once-again-fails-to-refute-cheryl-schatz\/\" target=\"_blank\">blog post<\/a>,<\/strong> there has been some discussion on 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 in the comment section, and the question of whether &#8220;a woman&#8221; is generic<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u00a0woman or a specific woman.\u00a0 I always appreciate questions and challenges on my position as it continually pushes me to continue to do research in order to answer the questions that are posed to me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The question that was posed to me was regarding &#8220;a woman&#8221; and whether there is any proof that she is a particular woman that Timothy was aware of.\u00a0 The reason the question was asked is because in 1 Timothy 2:14 &#8220;the woman&#8221; is referenced and it is clear from the grammar that this is not Eve because &#8220;the woman&#8221; is still in the after effects of her transgression and her deception and since Eve is dead, her transgression is not on-going.\u00a0 A similar situation is in 1 Timothy 2:15 where &#8220;she&#8221; will be saved&#8230;if&#8230;\u00a0 The grammar is future tense and again it is impossible for this to be Eve as Eve is dead and gone and her salvation cannot be in the future and conditional. \u00a0<!--more--><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The person who challenged me believes that &#8220;the woman&#8221; in 1 Timothy 2:14 is indeed a woman who is one of the deceived teachers who Timothy was instructed to stop from teaching, but he also seems to be convinced that since the first reference to &#8220;woman&#8221; in 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 is without the definite article that the first reference to a singular woman must be a &#8220;generic&#8221; woman while the last reference would be to a specific woman since the definite article is there.\u00a0 He did say that it is possible that I am correct that &#8220;a woman&#8221; of 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 was that specific person but he said that there is no real way for us to know for sure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">In doing some research on this issue, I came across a strong precedent for a second reference within the context where the definite article attached to a noun connects to a first noun that is without the article.\u00a0 It is called an anaphoric reference.\u00a0 I have an audio clip from Dr. James White who is quoting his agreement on a grammar reference from Dr. Daniel Wallace on the anaphoric reference.\u00a0 You can hear the audio clip here <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/james-white-anaphoric.mp3\">James White on Anaphoric reference<\/a><\/strong>.\u00a0 Below is the transcript of the clip.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Normally when an anaphoric use is in view, the preceding use of the noun will lack the article. It will not be articled. And if you read Greek then you will know that in James 2:14 when it says that a person says they have faith (ean pistin lege) pistin does not have an article, so this is a classic example where you have a noun, then you have the repetition of the noun later with an article, that article is pointing us back to the preceding use of the noun. This is called the anaphoric use of the article.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The<a title=\"Anaphoric reference\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anaphora_%28linguistics%29\" target=\"_blank\"><strong> anaphora<\/strong><\/a> refers to the way in which a word or phrase relates to other text.\u00a0 A term associated with anaphora is a <a title=\"Anaphora and Cataphoric reference\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anaphora_%28linguistics%29\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>cataphoric reference<\/strong><\/a> which refers to:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">&#8230;something within a text that has not yet been identified.\u00a0 For example, in &#8220;<em>Because he was very cold, David promptly put on his coat<\/em>&#8221; the identify of the &#8220;<em>he<\/em>&#8221; is unknown until the individual is also referred to as &#8220;David&#8221;.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The cataphora that co-refers to a later expression <\/span>is<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> described <a title=\"Cataphora\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cataphora\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>here<\/strong><\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">In linguistics, cataphora (from Greek, forward + carry) is used to describe an expression that co-refers with a later expression in the discourse. That is to say, the earlier expression refers to or describes a forward expression. For example, given: &#8220;Finding the right gadget was a real hassle. I finally settled with a digital camera.&#8221;\u00a0 The &#8220;right gadget&#8221; is an instance of cataphora because it refers to &#8220;a digital camera,&#8221; an object that hasn&#8217;t been mentioned in the discourse prior to that point. Cataphora is a type of endophora and it is the opposite of anaphora, a reference forward as opposed to backward in the discourse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">As a general rule, cataphoras are quite less common than anaphoras in all natural languages; furthermore, cataphoras that are not sentence-internal are typically very uncommon in informal, conversational contexts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Cataphora is often used for rhetorical effect. It can build suspense and provide a description. For example:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">He&#8217;s the biggest slob I know. He&#8217;s really stupid. He&#8217;s so cruel. He&#8217;s my boyfriend Steve.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">In keeping with Paul&#8217;s very uncommon one-of-a-kind grammar in 1 Timothy 2:11-15, we find not only a word that is found nowhere else in the Bible (authentein),<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u00a0a unique definite noun (the childbearing) but also a cataphora example of an anaphoric reference.\u00a0 Paul describes the solution before he describes the problem (let her learn), he describes the solution as a promise (she will be saved&#8230;if&#8230;) and he describes the woman without the definite noun before he identifies her as &#8220;the woman&#8221; who is in the transgression.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">We now know that Paul&#8217;s grammar using an anarthrous noun first and later referring back to the noun through a repetition of the noun but with the definite article is also used in James 2:14.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">James 2:14 (NAS)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> Faith and Works<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> 14\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Is there a grammar usage that assures us that Paul is not talking about all women and forbidding all women from teaching &#8220;a man&#8221; and &#8220;authentein<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u00a0a man&#8221;?\u00a0 Yes!\u00a0 It is a cataphora which is an anaphoric reference.\u00a0 &#8220;The&#8221; woman in 1 Timothy 2:14 is the clear identifier of the specific woman that was the recipient of Paul&#8217;s prohibition.\u00a0 Paul uses the anaphoric reference to take\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">us back from verse 14 to her sin in verse 12 and the solution to her sin in verse 11 and through this grammar reference,\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">we can identify the woman who Timothy was instructed to give Paul&#8217;s prohibition to.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">There you have it.\u00a0 It is a precedent in a piece of linguistic grammar that makes the <em><strong>furthest reference<\/strong><\/em> clearer than the <em><strong>closest reference<\/strong><\/em>.\u00a0 It is just what Paul did with &#8220;a woman&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a recent blog post, there has been some discussion on 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 in the comment section, and the question of whether &#8220;a woman&#8221; is generic\u00a0woman or a specific woman.\u00a0 I always appreciate questions and challenges on my position as it continually pushes me to continue to do research in order to answer the questions that are posed to me. 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