{"id":2114,"date":"2010-06-02T22:24:24","date_gmt":"2010-06-03T05:24:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=2114"},"modified":"2016-09-18T20:37:04","modified_gmt":"2016-09-19T03:37:04","slug":"submission-and-origin-of-authority","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/06\/02\/submission-and-origin-of-authority\/","title":{"rendered":"Submission and the origin of authority"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"2116\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/06\/02\/submission-and-origin-of-authority\/authority-given\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/authority-given.jpg?fit=440%2C293&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"440,293\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Authority given on Women in Ministry by Cheryl Schatz\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/authority-given.jpg?fit=300%2C199&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/authority-given.jpg?fit=440%2C293&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2116\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/authority-given.jpg?resize=440%2C293\" alt=\"Authority given on Women in Ministry by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"440\" height=\"293\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/authority-given.jpg?w=440&amp;ssl=1 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/authority-given.jpg?resize=300%2C199&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 440px) 100vw, 440px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">When is authority given and when can it be rightfully assumed? \u00a0These are questions that have divided egalitarians and complementarians in the area of marriage. \u00a0While egalitarians generally will agree that submission is a characteristic of Spirit-filled Christians who love and respect the body of Christ, and who serve each other with love, complementarians say that husbands are never commanded to submit to their wives because husbands maintain a God-given sphere of authority that requires sacrifice and not submission. \u00a0To a complementarian, submission is always something given to an authority. \u00a0Since they don&#8217;t believe that a wife has authority over a husband they refuse to submit to their wives. \u00a0Is this Biblical?\u00a0<!--more--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">In order to refuse submission as a Christ-like action and\/or attitude of both spouses in marriage, they must reject that the reciprocal &#8220;to one another&#8221; in Ephesians 5:21 really does mean &#8220;one to another&#8221;. \u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Instead, they are forced to interpret the inspired reciprocal and change it to mean &#8220;some to others&#8221; as in &#8220;Christians who are subject to authority&#8221; are to submit to &#8220;those in authority&#8221;. \u00a0This makes it a one-way submission and it adds the condition of authority when no such condition exists. \u00a0It also noodles<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u00a0with the inspired text to remove the inspired <strong><em>reciprocal <\/em><\/strong>nature of the term to one another. \u00a0This is one of the weak links in the complementarian argument.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">First of all let&#8217;s prove that Ephesians 5:21 has the reciprocal. Note the screen print below of the Greek and the reciprocal grammar:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"2131\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/06\/02\/submission-and-origin-of-authority\/reciprocal\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/reciprocal.jpg?fit=495%2C428&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"495,428\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"reciprocal on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/reciprocal.jpg?fit=300%2C259&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/reciprocal.jpg?fit=495%2C428&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2131\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/reciprocal.jpg?resize=495%2C428\" alt=\"reciprocal on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"495\" height=\"428\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/reciprocal.jpg?w=495&amp;ssl=1 495w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/reciprocal.jpg?resize=300%2C259&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 495px) 100vw, 495px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">If God had meant that Christians are to submit to authorities in the church, then why didn&#8217;t God God just say it like that in Ephesians 5:21 like He did in Romans 13:1?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Romans 13:1 (NASB)\u00a0Every person is to be in subjection <strong><em>to the governing authorities<\/em><\/strong>&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Note that in Romans 13:1, the ones to be under submission are clearly noted as &#8220;every person&#8221; and those to whom they are to submit themselves to is &#8221; the governing authorities&#8221;. \u00a0Romans 13:1 is clearly about the requirement for all to submit themselves to the secular governmental authority. But Ephesians 5:21 is not like the one-sided submission of Romans 13:1. \u00a0Rather Ephesians 5:21 makes the submission linked to mutuality.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Some may say that the three groups that follow verse 21 are examples of one-sided submission so verse 21 cannot be reciprocal. \u00a0But we cannot allow our bias to distort the clear word of Scripture. \u00a0The most important issue is that it is God who said the submission is to be reciprocal by His inspiring Paul&#8217;s words and grammar. \u00a0<\/span>Secondly<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> God supported this reciprocal nature of submission in chapter 6.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<blockquote>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ephesians 6:7 (NASB)\u00a0With good will <strong><em>render service<\/em><\/strong>, as to the Lord, and not to men,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The Greek term for &#8220;render service&#8221; means to be a slave, serve, subject oneself (active) and further to act or conduct oneself as one in total service to another. \u00a0See below the subjection (submission) that is part of the &#8220;service&#8221; that is given from the slave to the master.<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"2132\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/06\/02\/submission-and-origin-of-authority\/eph-6-7-serve\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/eph-6-7-serve.jpg?fit=538%2C206&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"538,206\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Ephesians 6:7 on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/eph-6-7-serve.jpg?fit=300%2C114&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/eph-6-7-serve.jpg?fit=538%2C206&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2132\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/eph-6-7-serve.jpg?resize=538%2C206\" alt=\"Ephesians 6:7 on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"538\" height=\"206\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/eph-6-7-serve.jpg?w=538&amp;ssl=1 538w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/eph-6-7-serve.jpg?resize=300%2C114&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 538px) 100vw, 538px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Paul goes on in verse 9 to present the <strong><em>reciprocal nature<\/em><\/strong> of the submission:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ephesians 6:9 (NASB)\u00a0And masters, <strong><em>do the same things to them<\/em><\/strong>, &#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The <strong><em>same things<\/em><\/strong> that these Christian masters are to do <\/span>is<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> what their slaves were to do for them. \u00a0Their slaves were to\u00a0<strong><em>be subjected<\/em><\/strong> to them and <strong>serve them<\/strong>. God shows that the masters are to do the same.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">This is the Christian doctrine of mutual submission. The submission is not just for slaves but for their masters too! \u00a0In the same way, husbands are to be a part of mutual\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">submission and they are not a special class that is exempt from Christian submission. \u00a0(Eph. 5:21)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">So what does this mutual submission look like in practice between husbands and wives, parents and children and slaves and masters? \u00a0It isn&#8217;t hard to envision. \u00a0It is <\/span>two-fold<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> submission that is expressed in willing service. \u00a0Submission is also expressed as a willingness to receive God&#8217;s gifts through the other brother or sister in Christ. \u00a0Let&#8217;s see this submission in action:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">1. A wife has a busy day and needs to put together a meal before she leaves for her Bible study when she realizes that she forgot to purchase milk for the children. When her husband comes in the door, she asks him to go to the store to pick up the milk for the meal. \u00a0Her husband willing submits to his wife&#8217;s request.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">2. A Father tired after a long day lays back in his easy chair to relax after dinner when his four-year-old\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">son asks him to read him a bedtime Bible story. The Father submits to the request of his young son and goes to his son&#8217;s bed to read him a Bible story and tuck him into bed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">3. A servant has a teaching from the Scriptures that he will be giving to the congregation and his master submits to learn from the teaching that his own servant brings.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Notice that in all three examples the one who submits himself to the other one is not obligated to submit because the other person has authority over him. Rather he submits because it is the right thing to do. It is a Christian humility that puts himself <strong><em>under another person&#8217;s need<\/em><\/strong> or the submission is given to the brother or sister in order to <strong><em>receive a gift<\/em><\/strong> that the other person has for them. This is the face of reciprocal submission.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">But most complementarians cannot even think about submission without re-defining submission as a response to an authority that is over them. But is Christian submission as defined by Ephesians 5:21 really to be assumed as an attachment of a God-given authority even though God never says that? Are we really to assume that God gave masters their authority over their slaves? The fact is that this reasoning was rejected a lot of years ago as a man-made system that was never authorized by God. So is the authority that husbands believe they have over their wife a God-given authority? Like the authority of the master, the authority of the husband is also never established by God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">So what is the unique authority that complementarians say that the husband has been given over the wife? Complementarians are not \u00a0in agreement over the extent of the authority. Some say that husbands have the final say in every decision of the marriage and home. Others add that the husband&#8217;s authority is to love his wife and sacrifice for her. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">However, they can&#8217;t seem to explain how the husband&#8217;s authority is not also the wife&#8217;s when she loves and sacrifices for him.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">What I would\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">like to do is challenge complementarians to give a Biblical example of the one-sided submission that they believe must be given by wives to their husbands but is not allowed for husbands to do for their wives (i.e. a non-reciprocal submission)? \u00a0Let&#8217;s have a look at your examples and discuss the Biblical passages that originate that type of submission.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">I will give the first example as one that Mark gave in the comment section on the last post. \u00a0Mark said:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Gal 5:13 is a prime example of the husbands role as husband. The husband is called to love his wife like Christ did the Church. IN Gal we are told to &#8216;through love serve one another&#8217;, so yes i would through love serve my wife.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">I ask, what kind of <strong><em>love<\/em><\/strong> is the husband called to give that is not allowed for his wife to love him back in the same way? \u00a0What kind of <strong><em>service<\/em><\/strong> is not allowed for a wife that is only allowed for a husband? \u00a0In what way is this a role that is unique to a husband and where does the authority come from to command an application of a service to apply solely to the husband?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Thoughts?<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When is authority given and when can it be rightfully assumed? \u00a0These are questions that have divided egalitarians and complementarians in the area of marriage. \u00a0While egalitarians generally will agree that submission is a characteristic of Spirit-filled Christians who love and respect the body of Christ, and who serve each other with love, complementarians say that husbands are never commanded to submit to their wives because husbands maintain a God-given sphere of authority that requires sacrifice and not submission. \u00a0To&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more\"><a class=\"btn btn-default\" href=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/06\/02\/submission-and-origin-of-authority\/\"> Read More<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">  Read More<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":[]},"categories":[10,13,31,33,40,42,63],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.2.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Submission and the origin of authority - Women in Ministry<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"What is the origin of authority and submission? 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