{"id":21,"date":"2006-09-23T23:19:29","date_gmt":"2006-09-23T23:19:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2006\/09\/23\/another-complementarian-pastor-responds\/"},"modified":"2006-09-23T23:19:29","modified_gmt":"2006-09-23T23:19:29","slug":"another-complementarian-pastor-responds","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2006\/09\/23\/another-complementarian-pastor-responds\/","title":{"rendered":"Another complementarian Pastor responds"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I am preparing a talk on women in ministry partly based on questions and challenges presented to me by a complementarian Pastor from a large denomination which restricts women from teaching the bible to men.  Here are excerpts that he gave regarding our DVD teaching series on Women in Ministry:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I want to say from the start that I was very impressed with the quality of your production and the depth of reasoning present in <em>Women in <\/em><em>M<\/em><em>inistry Silenced or Set Free?<\/em><strong> <\/strong>This is a well thought out treatment of this controversial issue of women in ministry&#8230; It would have been easy for you to fall into a derogatory and disrespectful and even an antagonistic tone in this production, but you did not stoop to this level and for that you are to be commended. The tone throughout was one of respectful disagreement and honorable treatment of those who differed from you in your position. That&#8217;s grace.,,, I learned some interesting things from your teaching [for example](your handling of 1 Corinthians 14) &#8211; This was well done and your reference to Jewish tradition was powerful in making your points. Could Paul&#8217;s reference to &#8220;the law&#8221;\u009d in verses 34-35 be referring to a quotation from Jewish tradition? You make a pretty persuasive case that it is&#8230; Again I want to commend you on your work. It is well done, rational and reasonable, temperate, well organized, and of high technical quality&#8230; I want to say in closing, Cheryl, you and all those who worked on this project have done a magnificent job in presenting your case.  I thank you for allowing me to review your work. It stretched me and forced me to dig deep and seriously consider what I believed about this issue.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I appreciate this Pastor&#8217;s willingness to be open to have his position on the women&#8217;s issue biblically challenged.  This Pastor also gave me a list of questions and challenges that he believed needed to be answered regarding issues outside the hard passages of scripture and thus not included in the material in the DVD itself.  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