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The comments on the original post<\/a><\/strong> have gone over 400 comments and for some reason\u00a0<\/span>the original page is not properly loading just by the link so I will need to find out what the problem is. \u00a0It does look fine when one goes to http:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim and then scroll down to the March 26, 2010\u00a0<\/span>post called “Adam and Eve and the sin nature that comes through the man – how does this affect the issue of women in ministry?” \u00a0It is loading okay that way so that one can read the post but when one tries to read the comments that page won’t load. \u00a0**update – It looks like the 175 pages of comments was just too much for the blog post and there is nothing I can do to get the comments to show up. \u00a0In future I will try to start <\/span>a second page sooner so that this doesn’t happen again** (Note – Dec 2012: I have updated the blog and I think all the comments are now back.)<\/span><\/p>\n

In the meantime, the comments can continue on this post.<\/span><\/h2>\n

The dialog has been lively and Mark our regular complementarian blog visitor has been going through his Calvinist proof texts with me as we dialog on John 6 verse by verse discussing sin and free will. \u00a0Future comments should continue on this new part 2 post.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The comments on the original post have gone over 400 comments and for some reason\u00a0the original page is not properly loading just by the link so I will need to find out what the problem is. \u00a0It does look fine when one goes to http:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim and then scroll down to the March 26, 2010\u00a0post called “Adam and Eve and the sin nature that comes through the man – how does this affect the issue of women in ministry?” \u00a0It is…<\/p>\n

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