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While God is Sovereign, some men believe that they can set a limit on God’s gifts. \u00a0In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s doctrinal stand, they believe that God is allowed to distribute gifts to men and women alike with the gifts listed in 1 Cor. 12:4-26 but that He does not gift women with the gifts mentioned in Ephesians 4:11 or 1 Peter 4:10, 11 for those gifts are for men alone. \u00a0Randy Stinson and Christopher Cowan writing an article<\/a><\/strong> for the Journal for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood a work of CBMW write that:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

By God’s grace, all men and women who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ receive spiritual gifts to equip them to serve together in Christ’s body-the church. God grants these gifts through his Spirit to all believers without distinction and for the edification of all (1 Cor 12:4-11). No member of Christ’s church is unneeded; each is gifted by God’s will so that the church, though many parts, may be one body (1 Cor 12:12-26).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Here we can see that they agree with us on several important issues regarding God’s gifts:<\/span><\/p>\n

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  1. God’s gifts are given to all believers<\/span><\/li>\n
  2. God’s gifts are given without distinction (regarding social status, race or gender)<\/span><\/li>\n
  3. God’s\u00a0gifts are given for the edification of all<\/span><\/li>\n
  4. No member of the church is unneeded with their God-given gift<\/span><\/li>\n
  5. The purpose of the gifts is to allow the church to be one body<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    However God cannot sovereignly give the gifts from Ephesians 4:11 or 1 Peter 4:10, 11 because CBMW has determined that the gifts in these lists are for men alone. \u00a0Here is what Ephesians 4 says:<\/span><\/p>\n

    Ephesians 4:11\u201312 (NASB)<\/span><\/p>\n

    11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,<\/span><\/p>\n

    12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    According to an article on CBMW’s site authored by John MacArthur, \u00a0no woman can be an evangelist nor can a woman be a pastor or teacher. \u00a0The article is from John MacArthur’s sermon<\/a><\/strong>:<\/span><\/div>\n
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    There is not a woman evangelist. There is not a woman who wrote…and you have twenty-seven books in the New Testament…any portion of the New Testament. All sixty-six books are written by men. And the New Testament is consistent with God’s plan for women as revealed in the Old, no woman is an evangelist, no woman is a preacher- teacher… There is not recorded in the text of all the New Testament a sermon delivered by a woman…or teaching given by a woman, none. They are not prophets. They are not evangelists.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

    John MacArthur has greatly overstated his case. \u00a0First of all to state that no woman wrote any part of the New Testament would be to boldly claim that he knows<\/em><\/strong> who wrote the book of Hebrews. \u00a0How does he know that no woman wrote any book in the New Testament? \u00a0If he knows that no woman was an author of a book in the NT, then surely he must know who wrote the book of Hebrews. \u00a0But he doesn’t. \u00a0MacArthur himself has stated<\/a><\/strong>:<\/span><\/p>\n

    Hebrews was written by an unknown author<\/strong>. Some think it was Paul, some Apollos, and some Peter. I stand with one of the great teachers of the early church by the name of Origen who said, “Nobody knows.”<\/strong> One thing we do know, it was written by the Holy Spirit. I personally don’t believe it was written by Paul.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    And what about the Old Testament? \u00a0Who wrote the book of Esther? \u00a0And what about the book of Ruth? \u00a0Can John MacArthur claim to know who wrote the book of Ruth and that the person was a man? \u00a0Does MacArthur’s confident claim make him sure<\/em><\/strong> that he knows who wrote all of these books? \u00a0His own words show that he does not have special inside information so his over confidence is ill advised.<\/span><\/p>\n

    MacArthur claims to know of no female evangelist, no female Biblical <\/span>teacher and no female Biblical author. \u00a0This must mean that God cannot gift women as preachers, teachers, pastors or evangelists since according to MacArthur women cannot be preachers, teachers, pastors or evangelists. \u00a0But does God have to follow the expectations of John MacArthur and CBMW or can God sovereignly gift women with any gift as He sees fit? \u00a0Some complementarians even agree that there might be many gifted women <\/em><\/strong>who can do a better job at preaching and teaching than many men. \u00a0CARM<\/a><\/strong> (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry) has a founder who has dedicated himself to warning the church against women pastors and who seeks to encourage\u00a0the church\u00a0<\/span>to remove women pastors from a place of authoritative teaching and preaching.<\/span>\u00a0In fact, this man loves to go into churches that have female pastors and confront them and their fellow male pastors. Yet even CARM’s founder admits that there are<\/em><\/strong> gifted women out there, even though he denies that gifting is the deciding factor:<\/span><\/p>\n

    There are many gifted women who might very well do a better job at preaching and teaching than many men. \u00a0However, it isn’t gifting that is the issue, but God’s order and calling.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    According to CARM, God does not “call” women as pastors even though God apparently has gifted many for preaching and teaching. \u00a0So what is God doing gifting women this way?<\/span><\/p>\n

    Let’s look at it this way. \u00a0According to these complementarians, God’s gifts to women for preaching, teaching and pastoring either doesn’t exist at all or these gifts are claimed to be of no consequence since God’s gifts are subordinated to God’s calling. \u00a0And how would we know what is God’s calling? \u00a0Aren’t the gifts evidence of God’s calling? \u00a0Not according to CBMW, MacArthur,<\/span>\u00a0and CARM. \u00a0<\/span>Apparently, there are some gifts given by God that are meant to be withheld from the common good even though God Himself said that His gifts are commanded to be used for the common good.<\/span><\/p>\n

    1 Corinthians 12:7 (NASB)<\/span><\/p>\n

    7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good<\/em><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    God’s command is that the gifts that are given are to be employed for the church as good stewards of God’s grace.<\/span><\/p>\n

    1 Peter 4:10\u201311 (NASB)<\/span><\/p>\n

    10 As each one<\/em><\/strong> has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another<\/em><\/strong> as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.<\/span><\/p>\n

    11 Whoever speaks<\/em><\/strong>, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves<\/em><\/strong> is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    So while Scripture says that “whoever” is gifted with speaking is to speak the utterances of God, these complementarians say that women are not allowed to speak the utterances of God in public for the common good<\/em><\/strong>. \u00a0It is no wonder that they stay away from 1 Peter 4:10, 11 as the context is Christian worship and speaking the utterances of God is nothing less than authoritative speech in worship assemblies according to the Word Biblical Commentary.<\/span><\/p>\n

    11 \u201cWhoever does the speaking, [do it] as one bringing words from God.\u201d \u00a0(lit. \u201cif anyone\u201d) does not introduce conditional clauses in this verse, but simply means \u201cone who,\u201d or \u201cwhoever<\/em><\/strong>\u201d (see BGD, 220.VII). Peter introduces only two examples of \u201cGod\u2019s diversified grace,\u201d speaking and serving (in contrast to seven examples in Rom 12:6\u20138 and nine in 1 Cor 12:7\u201311). Having emphasized all along the danger of \u201cevil speaking\u201d…Peter now points to the positive importance of speech as a source of strength and cohesion among Christian believers. \u201cSpeaking\u201d refers not to ordinary conversation<\/em><\/strong> (which would not have to be \u201ca word from God\u201d) but to authoritative speech in worship assemblies<\/em><\/strong>. While Kelly (180) limits the speaking Peter has in mind to \u201croutine functions like teaching and preaching<\/em><\/strong>\u201d (in distinction from \u201cecstatic utterances\u201d), there is no proof of this in the text. The term could embrace all<\/em><\/strong> that Paul includes under \u201cprophecy\u201d (Rom 12:6), \u201cteaching\u201d (Rom 12:7), and \u201cexhortation\u201d (Rom 12:8), as well as \u201cwisdom\u201d and \u201cknowledge\u201d (1 Cor 12:8). …It is clear, however, that his focus is not on missionary proclamation (as, e.g., in Acts 4:1; 10:44; 13:42) but on the speech of Christian believers \u201cto each other\u201d (v 10) in a setting of worship<\/em><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Michaels, J. R. (2002). Vol. 49: Word Biblical Commentary : 1 Peter. Word Biblical Commentary (249\u2013250).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    The inspired Scripture in 1 Peter 4:10 makes <\/span>universal language clear that “each one<\/strong> has a gift” and in verse 11 “whoever<\/em><\/strong> speaks” is to speak with God’s authority.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Women are commanded to use their God-given gifts and God <\/span>has surely gifted them with things that He intends for them to use. \u00a0Women like men are commanded to use their gifts for the common good<\/em><\/strong>. \u00a0<\/span>Also it is clear from the Scriptures that God has commanded all of us to use our God-given gifts and we will give an account of what we did with what God gave us. \u00a0We are not to set our gifts aside to leave them unused or bury our gifts. \u00a0We are all accountable.<\/span><\/p>\n

    So the question we need to ask is, should we call God to account for gifting women in areas that men say God has “disallowed” or “disqualified” women from using their gifts for the benefit of all? \u00a0<\/span>After all wouldn’t it mean that God would be guilty of creating a terrible dilemma for women? \u00a0They either use their gifts for the common good and get God’s wrath for doing so (according to complementarians who determine that using these gifts for the common good is a sin) or they shelve their gifts and withhold them from the common good and get God’s wrath for withholding His gifts from the body Christ which <\/span>is the intended purpose of all of the gifts.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Does this sound reasonable that God gifts people but He then forbids them from using their gifts? \u00a0Should anyone be fearful of using their God-given gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ?<\/span><\/p>\n

    It is far more reasonable to understand that the gifting is God’s endorsement<\/em><\/strong> to use the gift. \u00a01 Peter 4:10, 11 stands in sharp contrast to CARM’s claim that a “calling” (a calling that mere<\/em><\/strong> men<\/em><\/strong> determine if it is a valid calling or not)\u00a0supersedes\u00a0God’s “gifts”. \u00a0Let’s look at it God’s Word one more time and you decide. \u00a0Is God guilty of gifting for the purpose of causing women to sin? \u00a0Or is every gift that comes down from the Father of lights a good and perfect gift and the one who has been given the gift has the authority to use their gift?<\/span><\/p>\n

    1 Peter 4:10\u201311 (NASB)<\/span><\/p>\n

    10 As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.<\/span><\/p>\n

    11 Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.<\/span><\/p>\n

     <\/p>\n

    James 1:16\u201317 (NASB)<\/span><\/p>\n

    16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.<\/span><\/p>\n

    17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    If every good gift given is from the Father of lights and there is no variation or shifting shadow in God or shadow in God’s gift, then what God has given cannot be evil and the exercise of that gift cannot be sin for God is not the author of sin. \u00a0Can we charge God with evil for giving gifts to women that are forbidden for them to use? \u00a0Not at all. \u00a0God does not author sin and God’s giving<\/em><\/strong> of His gifts to women\u00a0is<\/em><\/strong> the authority of God for them to use what He has given for the common good.<\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    While God is Sovereign, some men believe that they can set a limit on God’s gifts. \u00a0In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s doctrinal stand, they believe that God is allowed to distribute gifts to men and women alike with the gifts listed in 1 Cor. 12:4-26 but that He does not gift women with the gifts mentioned in Ephesians 4:11 or 1 Peter 4:10, 11 for those gifts are for men alone. \u00a0Randy Stinson and Christopher Cowan writing…<\/p>\n

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Ligon Duncan III on behalf of the Freedom for Christian Women Coalition which is demanding an apology for harm done to Christian women because of the\u00a0Danvers Statement on Biblical\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "Authority and leadership"","img":{"alt_text":"sign on Women in Ministry by Cheryl Schatz","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/sign.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":385,"url":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2008\/09\/04\/ministry-produces-fear\/","url_meta":{"origin":2067,"position":5},"title":"Women in Ministry produces fear","date":"September 4, 2008","format":false,"excerpt":"Wade Burleson has produced a thought-provoking article about character assassination that comes as a result of fear.\u00a0 Wade writes: It is almost an axiom of human nature that when you disagree with one's positions, are fearful of the effect your opponent may have on altering the big picture, you attack\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "Blogs by others"","img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]}],"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2067"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2067"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2067\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3239,"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2067\/revisions\/3239"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2067"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2067"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2067"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}