{"id":1791,"date":"2010-01-25T00:33:53","date_gmt":"2010-01-25T07:33:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=1791"},"modified":"2016-09-22T13:26:41","modified_gmt":"2016-09-22T20:26:41","slug":"two-gifts-or-one","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/01\/25\/two-gifts-or-one\/","title":{"rendered":"Two gifts or one? Pastors and Teachers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"1792\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2010\/01\/25\/two-gifts-or-one\/two-gifts\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/two-gifts.jpg?fit=303%2C500&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"303,500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Two gifts pastor and teach on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/two-gifts.jpg?fit=181%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/two-gifts.jpg?fit=303%2C500&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1792\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/two-gifts.jpg?resize=303%2C500\" alt=\"Two gifts pastor and teach on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"303\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/two-gifts.jpg?w=303&amp;ssl=1 303w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/two-gifts.jpg?resize=181%2C300&amp;ssl=1 181w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 303px) 100vw, 303px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<h1>Teacher and pastor &#8211; One category or two?<\/h1>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">God has given many gifts to the church, and the main purpose of the gifts is to edify the body of Christ so that God will ultimately be glorified. \u00a0Paul makes it clear in 1 Corinthians 14:12 that we are to strive to excel in the gifts that will build up the church.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">1 Cor 14:12 \u00a0So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church. ESV<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">While Paul encourages Christians to excel in building up the church, most complementarians do not believe that women are allowed to build up the church by being gifted as teachers. \u00a0How can they disallow the Holy Spirit&#8217;s ability to Sovereignly decide who receives the gifts? <!--more-->Ephesians 4:11 says:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Eph 4:11 \u00a0And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, NASB<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Here we see separate gifts that God has given to the church, but the list in Ephesians is interpreted by some with &#8220;pastors and teachers&#8221; as one &#8220;office.&#8221; \u00a0John MacArthur says it this way:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>pastors and teachers<\/strong>. This phrase is best understood in context as a single office of leadership in the church. The Gr. word translated \u201cand\u201d can mean \u201cin particular\u201d (see 1 Tim. 5:17). The normal meaning of pastor is \u201cshepherd,\u201d so the two functions together define the teaching shepherd. The MacArthur Study Bible<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">MacArthur is identifying &#8220;and&#8221; as not a conjunction between two separate gifts, but a &#8220;particular&#8221; emphasis on the gift. \u00a0In other words, in MacArthur&#8217;s world, a pastor <em><strong>is<\/strong><\/em> the teacher.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Others point out that there is a singular definite article before the term pastor and no definite article before the term teacher. \u00a0The one definite article they <\/span>say,<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> connects the two together in such a way that the one gift should be called singular as pastor-teacher.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">However, the exact same grammar is also in Matthew 5:20 where &#8220;scribes&#8221; and &#8220;Pharisees&#8221; have a singular definite article before two nouns joined by the Greek &#8220;kai&#8221; or &#8220;and&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Matthew 5:20 \u00a0&#8220;For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of <em><strong>the scribes and Pharisees<\/strong><\/em>, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Jesus has connected the scribes and Pharisees as having a common type of &#8220;righteousness,&#8221; however is Jesus here saying that the scribes and Pharisees are one united thing? \u00a0Would it be proper to call them scribe-Pharisees as a singular unit? \u00a0No, not at all. \u00a0While most scribes were Pharisees, certainly not all Pharisees could be called scribes. \u00a0The Pharisees and scribes are related, as they have a common self-righteousness, but they are not the same. Here is another example:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Matthew 2:4 \u00a0Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Again we find in Matthew 2:4 that there is one article for the two nouns which are joined by &#8220;kai&#8221;. \u00a0So we need to ask, are the chief priests all scribes? \u00a0Should the chief priests be called chief priest-scribes? \u00a0Again we have to say no. \u00a0Although the chief priests and scribes are placed in a related function in the verse, they are not the same, and one can be a chief priest without being a scribe. John MacArthur admits that the chief priests were mostly Sadducees while the scribes were mostly Pharisees. \u00a0The fact that they are listed together with only one definite article does not make them completely tied together so they must be listed as a hyphenated noun or as referring to a united &#8220;one.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">So does the fact that pastors and teachers share a common definite article in Ephesians 4:11 mean that they are so interrelated that there is actually only one gift and only one function? \u00a0Should they be listed as a hyphenated noun as if they are only one gift? \u00a0No, it cannot mean that as comparing Scripture to Scripture shows us clearly that <em><strong>teacher<\/strong><\/em> is a gift of its own.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Many complementarians state that only pastors are allowed to be teachers because of the common definite article, but the grammar of Ephesians 4:11 cannot remove the singular gift of teacher and attach it inseparably with the gift of pastor. \u00a0Paul lists teachers by themselves in 1 Corinthians 12:28 without any attachment to the gift of pastor.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">1 Cor 12:28 \u00a0And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Paul also states that the distinct gifts are to be utilized with the grace given to each of us. \u00a0We can note that the one who teaches is to use it in proportion to his\/her faith in their act of &#8220;teaching&#8221; not in &#8220;pastoring&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Romans 12:6 \u00a0Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Romans 12:7 \u00a0if service, in his serving; or <em><strong>he who teaches, in his teaching<\/strong><\/em>;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">While the gifts can operate together, they are distinct, and the portion of faith for each gift is distinct. \u00a0Why is it so important for complementarians to try to remove teachers as a separate category of gift apart from the category of <\/span>pastor<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">? \u00a0It is because teachers were historically listed as the kind of the gifts that were very clearly done by people who were ministering to the whole church. \u00a0The Bible Knowledge Commentary by Valvoord states:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Gifted apostles, prophets, and <strong><em>teachers<\/em><\/strong> characteristically <strong><em>ministered to a whole church<\/em><\/strong>, and so would engender unity and mutual edification. \u00a0<em>Walvoord, J. 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