{"id":170,"date":"2007-09-26T23:44:07","date_gmt":"2007-09-27T06:44:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2007\/09\/26\/matt-slick-and-cheryl-schatz-debate-2\/"},"modified":"2007-09-26T23:44:07","modified_gmt":"2007-09-27T06:44:07","slug":"matt-slick-and-cheryl-schatz-debate-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2007\/09\/26\/matt-slick-and-cheryl-schatz-debate-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Matt Slick and Cheryl Schatz debate 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0Matt Slick and I had an interesting discussion on whether Paul was stopping true biblical teaching in 1 Timothy 2:12 or whether Paul was stopping error.\u00a0 My answer concerning the imperative command to let a woman learn (1 Timothy 2:11) and the fact that all teaching by &#8220;a woman&#8221; was to be stopped until she was properly taught was not picked up by Matt as he kept on asking me the same question over and over again.\u00a0 I am not quite sure why he cannot hear the answer to his questions.\u00a0 Maybe he was looking for a different answer and I didn&#8217;t give the one he wanted? <a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/matt_slick_cheryl_schatz_2_full.mp3\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/matt_slick_cheryl_schatz_2_full.mp3\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Listen to the debate here<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately Matt did not let me finish discussing the passage with the crucial verse of 1 Timothy 2:15.\u00a0 I asked to come back on and I am willing to discuss the implication of Adam&#8217;s first creation where the Holy Spirit links the prohibition with Adam not being deceived as the first one created and the second one created was deceived, however Matt wouldn&#8217;t commit to another &#8220;discussion&#8221;.\u00a0 I really looked forward to hearing what Matt had to say about verse 15.\u00a0 No one yet has been able to answer my exegesis concerning the &#8220;she&#8221; and &#8220;they&#8221; from 1 Timothy 2:15 where Paul again moves from singular to plural.\u00a0 I can only assume that Matt still does not have the answer since he has not answered me for a year and a half since he first got my DVD set &#8220;Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free?&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0Matt Slick and I had an interesting discussion on whether Paul was stopping true biblical teaching in 1 Timothy 2:12 or whether Paul was stopping error.\u00a0 My answer concerning the imperative command to let a woman learn (1 Timothy 2:11) and the fact that all teaching by &#8220;a woman&#8221; was to be stopped until she was properly taught was not picked up by Matt as he kept on asking me the same question over and over again.\u00a0 I am not&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more\"><a class=\"btn btn-default\" href=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2007\/09\/26\/matt-slick-and-cheryl-schatz-debate-2\/\"> Read More<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">  Read More<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":[]},"categories":[30],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.2.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Matt Slick and Cheryl Schatz debate 2 - Women in Ministry<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2007\/09\/26\/matt-slick-and-cheryl-schatz-debate-2\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Matt Slick and Cheryl Schatz debate 2 - Women in Ministry\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"\u00a0Matt Slick and I had an interesting discussion on whether Paul was stopping true biblical teaching in 1 Timothy 2:12 or whether Paul was stopping error.\u00a0 My answer concerning the imperative command to let a woman learn (1 Timothy 2:11) and the fact that all teaching by &#8220;a woman&#8221; was to be stopped until she was properly taught was not picked up by Matt as he kept on asking me the same question over and over again.\u00a0 I am not... 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