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CBMW (Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) has set itself up as a go-to organization for those complementarians who have not been able to figure out from the Bible which things are allowable for women and which things are not. \u00a0But does their counsel exceed the Bible? \u00a0I would like to present the evidence and then let you decide.<\/span><\/p>\n

In a sermon preached<\/a><\/strong> by J Ligon Duncan III and reproduced on CBMW’s website,\u00a0<\/span>Ligon Duncan writes that the “teaching office” of the Church is restricted to men. \u00a0But what is the “teaching office” of the church? \u00a0According to Ligon, the “teaching office” is the ministry of preaching and teaching in the church that is undeniably “<\/span>vested in the men who serve as the elders of the church.” \u00a0So the on-going preaching and teaching to the body of Christ is\u00a0<\/span>to be done by men. \u00a0 The problem really gets sticky for complementarians when it comes to women teaching other women.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

According to Ligon Duncan, the place for women is that of receiving teaching.<\/span><\/p>\n

Paul is saying that he wants an all male teaching office in the church. \u00a0He wants the women to receive that teaching; he wants them to be disciples-that was revolutionary in and of itself in his own day and time-but, he wants the eldership to be the ones who are responsible for doing that teaching.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So what CBMW and Ligon Duncan are doing here is defining a regular teaching ministry as the work of elders alone. \u00a0And since they say that elders can only be male, there is no room left for women to be the primary teachers for other women in the church.<\/span><\/p>\n

Women are not to be the givers of instruction as the church gathers and as the word is authoritatively proclaimed. \u00a0They are to receive that instruction and godly men, elders are to be giving that instruction.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Notice here that this is not just about women teaching men, but women teaching anyone. \u00a0According to CBMW the “teaching office” of the church is not allowed for women to authoritatively proclaim the Word of God period. \u00a0What about a woman who regularly teaches the Word of God to other women in a Bible study or in a Sunday School setting or even a women’s only weekly service?<\/span><\/p>\n

According to John MacArthur<\/a> <\/strong>(on CBMW’s Board of Reference)<\/span>\u00a0women cannot teach the Bible authoritatively because they are not allowed to have the position of ultimate responsibility of God’s Word. \u00a0Instead of having responsibility,<\/span>\u00a0MacArthur says that the woman needs men to be a savior for her as well as a spiritual protector because the woman has “an inability to act independently of her protector”. \u00a0MacArthur preaches in his series on God’s High Calling for Women part four:<\/span><\/p>\n

But woman…woman who is designed by God to be under a head and a leader and a helper and a protector and a savior, when she stepped out on her own and acted independently of the headship of Adam, when she acted without his leadership, without his counsel, without his protection, she became vulnerable.\u00a0 And it is inherent in the nature of woman that she should not find herself in that position of ultimate responsibility.\u00a0 For woman has a deceivability when out from under the headship of a man.\u00a0 So the woman then in verse 14 was deceived.\u00a0 She showed by that her inability to lead effectively.\u00a0 She met her match and more than her match in Satan.\u00a0 She shows an inability to act independently of her protector.\u00a0 And by the way, the term for being deceived is very strong, it is stronger than just a common word for deceived, it is a word that means because it has the addition of a preposition on the front of it, it means to be fully deceived, to be thoroughly deceived, to be completely deceived.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Where does the Bible say that women cannot teach the Bible authoritatively to other women? \u00a0Where does the Bible say that women need men as a spiritual protector and a savior? \u00a0Is this Scriptural?<\/span><\/p>\n

Let’s work through John MacArthur’s view of Genesis to see if he has added to God’s Word.<\/span><\/p>\n

MacArthur says that the woman was designed to be under<\/em><\/strong>:<\/span><\/p>\n

1. a head<\/span><\/p>\n

2. a leader<\/span><\/p>\n

3. a helper<\/span><\/p>\n

4. a protector<\/span><\/p>\n

5. a savior<\/span><\/p>\n

Where is any of this listed in Genesis in the account of the creation? \u00a0If we take the complementarian position that “head” means “authority over”, in which verse does God make Adam an authority over Eve? \u00a0In which verse does God make Adam a “savior” of Eve or the leader over Eve? \u00a0How does MacArthur read into<\/span>\u00a0the pre-fall account any of these things? \u00a0We can get “protector” of the garden but none of the other terms are in the text at all and no leader of the woman was a position assigned to Adam.<\/span><\/p>\n

MacArthur says that Eve acted independently of Adam when she acted without his leadership. \u00a0So what do we gather from this teaching?<\/span>\u00a0Apparently, a woman is not allowed to speak about God to anyone who questions her without the man’s permission. \u00a0She is also not apparently able to make a decision about her own spiritual welfare without his permission. \u00a0<\/span>Certainly, if the woman was incapable of thinking for herself, making a decision for herself and giving God’s Word to an animal, then wouldn’t this also make it apparent that she isn’t capable of giving out God’s Word to women either without supervision? \u00a0And God forbid what she might do without supervision with little children!<\/span><\/p>\n

MacArthur goes on:<\/span><\/p>\n

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So we conclude then, beloved, that when a woman leaves the shelter of her protector and savior, provider and nourisher, she has a certain amount of vulnerability because she is designed for protection.\u00a0 That\u2019s true even in the physical sense, isn\u2019t it?\u00a0 So the Fall then was the result of not only disobeying God\u2019s command not to eat, but the Fall was the result of violating the divinely appointed role of the sexes and woman acting independently of man.\u00a0 Woman assumed leadership, and you know what man did?\u00a0 He messed up his role and then he instead of maintaining the leadership acted in submission to whom?\u00a0 To the woman.\u00a0 And the whole reversal was part and parcel of the Fall.\u00a0 So subordination of women in the church wasn\u2019t invented by Paul, it is rooted in the nature of the sexes and it is confirmed in the Fall.<\/span><\/p>\n

Now may I say to you that a woman is not more defective than a man?\u00a0 Please.\u00a0 She was deceived and he subjected himself to her deception.\u00a0 The weakness of a woman is that she needs a head.\u00a0 The weakness of a man is he needs a woman.\u00a0 We are not less defective than women, we are differently defective.\u00a0 We\u2019re defective in different ways.\u00a0 We\u2019re temptable and vulnerable in different ways.\u00a0 So that\u2019s the reason that we have affirmed the leadership of men, is in the creation and the Fall.\u00a0 And no daughter of Eve should follow the path of Eve and lead to tragedy by entering into the forbidden territory of rulership which was intended for man.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

So according to MacArthur, women are “defective” in a certain way and this defect makes women forbidden to enter the territory of authoritative teaching in the church.<\/span><\/p>\n

What kind of impression would one get from this kind of teaching? \u00a0John MacArthur states the obvious:<\/span><\/p>\n

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…\u00a0It might leave the impression that woman sort of lies under God\u2019s permanent displeasure.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

And what is the solution according to MacArthur?<\/span><\/p>\n

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So to avoid that we come to the final point, their contribution in verse 15, and this is just marvelous.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know why people get so mixed up about this verse.\u00a0 They\u2019re contribution, wonderful instructive verse.\u00a0 \u201cNevertheless,\u201d or not withstanding, or in spite of all that, \u201cshe shall be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith and love and holiness with sobriety and self-control.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

What we have to understand here is that all women are delivered.\u00a0 Now listen carefully.\u00a0 All women are delivered from the stigma of having caused the Fall of the race by childbearing.\u00a0 In other words, women led in the Fall but by the wonderful grace of God they are released from the stigma of that through childbearing.\u00a0 What\u2019s the point?\u00a0 Listen carefully.\u00a0 They may have caused the race to fall by stepping out of their God-intended design, but they also are given the priority responsibility of raising a godly seed.\u00a0 You understand that?\u00a0 That\u2019s…that\u2019s the balance.\u00a0 Not soul salvation, not spiritual birth, but women are delivered from being left in a second-class permanently stigmatized situation for the violation of the garden<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 They are delivered from being thought of as permanently weak and deceivable and insubordinate.\u00a0 Can you imagine what it would be like if men had babies and all women ever contributed to the human race was the Fall.\u00a0 The balance of it, women led the race into sin, but bless God, God has given them the privilege of leading the race out of sin to godliness.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

So according to this male teacher, women must bear children in order to be delivered from the stigma of having caused the Fall<\/em><\/strong> of the race. \u00a0They are delivered from been thought of as permanently weak and deceivable and insubordinate by bearing babies<\/em><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

Where does the Bible say that the woman caused the Fall of the race<\/em><\/strong>? \u00a0It doesn’t say this. \u00a0<\/span>In fact, the blame for the Fall is placed on the one who was not deceived by the serpent. \u00a0It was Adam who ate with his eyes wide open to the truth and he was not deceived. \u00a0He <\/em><\/strong>caused humanity to enter into sin.<\/span><\/p>\n

But MacArthur fails to preach that truth. \u00a0<\/span>Instead he says that there is a role designed for the gender which is weak, deceivable and insubordinate. \u00a0This role must be accepted and believed by women that she is not allowed to give overt leadership to the church. \u00a0MacArthur says:<\/span><\/p>\n

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What Paul is saying by the Holy Spirit is that a woman must accept her God-given role and that role is not to give outward overt leadership to the church,\u00a0…<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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Paul’s directive here is unmistakable. God’s Word alone determines who may and may not preach in the worship of the church. That’s why our position is what it is. It’s not because we’re mean; it’s not because we’re male chauvinists though some of us may act like male chauvinists, but the fundamental reason is because God’s Word very clearly teaches this.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

This blog Women in Ministry<\/em><\/strong> is filled with articles refuting John MacArthur’s and other Complementarian’s teaching about women in ministry, but the purpose of this article<\/em> is not to refute MacArthur but to question how complementarians who believe teachers like John MacArthur can even allow a woman to teach the bible to other women? \u00a0If she is not allowed to be a regular teacher in the church and she is not allowed to give outward overt leadership as that would be stepping into <\/span>male territory, why do they even allow women to teach at all?<\/span><\/p>\n

This all reminds me of the words of the Jewish oral law of the Pharisees now written in the Talmud:<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u201cThe words of the Torah should be burned rather than entrusted to women\u201d (JT\u00a0Sotah 3:4, 19a)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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