{"id":1489,"date":"2009-09-11T08:23:47","date_gmt":"2009-09-11T15:23:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=1489"},"modified":"2016-11-30T15:08:48","modified_gmt":"2016-11-30T22:08:48","slug":"aussie-debate-on-women-in-ministry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2009\/09\/11\/aussie-debate-on-women-in-ministry\/","title":{"rendered":"Aussie debate on women in ministry"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-attachment-id=\"1492\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/2009\/09\/11\/aussie-debate-on-women-in-ministry\/fight3-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/09\/fight3.jpg?fit=292%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"292,300\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"fight3 on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/09\/fight3.jpg?fit=292%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/09\/fight3.jpg?fit=292%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1492\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/09\/fight3.jpg?resize=292%2C300\" alt=\"fight3 on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"292\" height=\"300\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">There is a good natured debate going on over at the Women in Ministry blog conference at the Presbyterian church in Ryde blog between myself and Peter Barnes. \u00a0Those who would like to watch an Aussie and a Canadian duke it out over the issue of whether there is a &#8220;law&#8221; that forbids women to teach the bible to men can see the &#8220;brawl&#8221; (tooth and nail fight!) happening on <strong><a title=\"Women in Ministry Debate on Church in Ryde blog conference\" href=\"http:\/\/www.achurchinryde.com\/blog\/?p=216\" target=\"_blank\">this post linked here<\/a><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">In the meantime I am visiting with my elderly folks for the next few days and will be in and out of my own blog as I have time as I also try to make time to help an Aussie realize that all of his arguments are invalid \ud83d\ude42<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; There is a good natured debate going on over at the Women in Ministry blog conference at the Presbyterian church in Ryde blog between myself and Peter Barnes. \u00a0Those who would like to watch an Aussie and a Canadian duke it out over the issue of whether there is a &#8220;law&#8221; that forbids women to teach the bible to men can see the &#8220;brawl&#8221; (tooth and nail fight!) happening on this post linked here. 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