{"id":404,"date":"2013-10-17T11:37:34","date_gmt":"2013-10-17T19:37:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/?p=404"},"modified":"2016-09-27T14:50:11","modified_gmt":"2016-09-27T22:50:11","slug":"grumblers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/grumblers\/","title":{"rendered":"Unbelieving grumblers John 6:41-42"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-406\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/grumbler.jpg?resize=640%2C415\" alt=\"Unbelieving grumblers on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"640\" height=\"415\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/grumbler.jpg?w=700&amp;ssl=1 700w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/grumbler.jpg?resize=300%2C194&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<h3>Why all the Grumbling?<\/h3>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">John 6:41-42 (NASB) \u00a041 Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, \u201cI am the bread that came down out of heaven.\u201d 42 They were saying, \u201cIs not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, \u2018I have come down out of heaven\u2019?\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">What were the Jews grumbling <\/span>about<span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">41 Therefore the Jews were grumbling<strong> about Him<\/strong>&#8230;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">The Jews were grumbling about Jesus Himself! The Greek word that is translated grumbling, means to speak against someone in a complaining way. The BDAG lexicon shows it this way:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-424\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/John-6-43-grumble.jpg?resize=640%2C159\" alt=\"John 6:43 Grumbling Jews on The Giving by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"640\" height=\"159\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/John-6-43-grumble.jpg?w=685&amp;ssl=1 685w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/John-6-43-grumble.jpg?resize=300%2C74&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Just like their fathers<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">Just as the Israelites in the wilderness grumbled against God, so the Jews in Jesus&#8217; day showed their unbelief by grumbling against Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">What was it that Jesus said that caused all the grumbling? John doesn&#8217;t leave us guessing.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">41 &#8230;<strong>because<\/strong> He said, \u201cI am the bread that came down out of heaven.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"><!--more-->John gives us the reason for the grumbling. It was because of Jesus&#8217; words about His being God&#8217;s bread that came down from heaven. \u00a0John quotes the Jews to show the source of the grumbling.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">John 6:42 (NASB) They were saying, \u201cIs not this <strong>Jesus, the son of Joseph<\/strong>, whose <strong>father<\/strong> and mother <strong>we know<\/strong>?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">The Jews looked at Jesus&#8217; earthly origin and they believed he had an earthly father and was\u00a0just an ordinary man, a sinner, like any ordinary man. In their assessment of Jesus, no ordinary man could have a heavenly origin. Yet they were disregarding the signs that Jesus gave to show that He was not just an ordinary man. Their unbelief in Jesus showed they never knew the Father.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">Jesus had already said spoken about the Jews&#8217; unbelief in John 7:28.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">John 7:28 Then Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, &#8220;You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but <strong>He who sent Me<\/strong> is true, <strong>whom you do not know<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h3>The grumbling is about origin<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">Jesus claimed to be <em><strong>from<\/strong><\/em> Heaven and the Jews did not believe Him. Their unbelief is key to understanding the verses that follow.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">The next post will cover John 6:43-45.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why all the Grumbling? John 6:41-42 (NASB) \u00a041 Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, \u201cI am the bread that came down out of heaven.\u201d 42 They were saying, \u201cIs not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? 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