{"id":199,"date":"2012-12-03T23:09:47","date_gmt":"2012-12-04T07:09:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/?p=199"},"modified":"2016-12-15T14:16:32","modified_gmt":"2016-12-15T22:16:32","slug":"drag","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/drag\/","title":{"rendered":"Does God&#8217;s drawing mean that He drags people to Himself?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-200\" title=\"Does Draw mean Drag? by Cheryl Schatz on The Giving blog\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/drag3.jpg?resize=640%2C426\" alt=\"Does Draw mean Drag? by Cheryl Schatz on The Giving blog\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/drag3.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/drag3.jpg?resize=300%2C199&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<h1>God&#8217;s drawing: When does &#8220;draw&#8221; mean &#8220;drag&#8221;?<\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">If we are to believe Calvinism, we would have to conclude that God is a &#8220;dragger.&#8221; Calvinists are quick to point out that in John 6:44 the term &#8220;draw&#8221; actually means &#8220;drag&#8221; and this is what God does to His elect who, in their unregenerate state, are both unwilling and unable to respond to Him in faith.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2>Taking the Biblical test<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Let&#8217;s have a close look at the word &#8220;draw&#8221; to see what it actually means.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-203\" title=\"John 6:44 Does God's drawing mean He drags people to Himself? by Cheryl Schatz\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/draw.jpg?resize=640%2C112\" alt=\"John 6:44 Does God's drawing mean He drags people to Himself? by Cheryl Schatz\" width=\"640\" height=\"112\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/draw.jpg?w=798&amp;ssl=1 798w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/draw.jpg?resize=300%2C52&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">If we look up the Greek term for the biblical usage of the word for &#8220;draw&#8221; we can see that the primary meaning is to &#8220;attract.&#8221; \u00a0There are other meanings for <\/span>draw<span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"> when animals, clothing, judgment and mistreatment are the context. For example, the Greek word can mean to &#8220;haul&#8221; in a <\/span>net,<span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"> or to &#8220;stretch&#8221; a piece of cloth. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-204\" title=\"Haul in a net, stretch a garment\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/haul-net-garment-stretched.jpg?resize=567%2C143\" alt=\"Haul in a net, stretch a garment\" width=\"567\" height=\"143\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/haul-net-garment-stretched.jpg?w=567&amp;ssl=1 567w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/haul-net-garment-stretched.jpg?resize=300%2C75&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 567px) 100vw, 567px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">It can also mean to drag a person out for the purpose of punishment, mistreatment or judgment:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"><!--more--><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-205\" title=\"Mistreat\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/mistreat.jpg?resize=577%2C372\" alt=\"Mistreat\" width=\"577\" height=\"372\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/mistreat.jpg?w=577&amp;ssl=1 577w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/mistreat.jpg?resize=300%2C193&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 577px) 100vw, 577px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">Under this category, a person can be dragged because they are unwilling to go for mistreatment, punishment or judgment, and the mover uses <em><strong>something like a sword<\/strong> <\/em>as a means of compelling the unwilling. An object can also be pulled because the object being moved is incapable of propelling itself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-206\" title=\"Unwilling\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/unwilling.jpg?resize=577%2C197\" alt=\"Unwilling\" width=\"577\" height=\"197\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/unwilling.jpg?w=577&amp;ssl=1 577w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/unwilling.jpg?resize=300%2C102&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 577px) 100vw, 577px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Do Bible translations use the term &#8220;drag&#8221; in John 6:44?<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">Bible translations do not use the term &#8220;drag&#8221; or &#8220;haul&#8221; in John 6:44 because the context is the Holy God and that He works by bringing an attraction to Jesus. I would invite you to do what I did and check out <a title=\"Bible Translations on line\" href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/6-44.htm\">http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/6-44.htm<\/a> to see if you can find a reputable translation that would translate &#8220;draw&#8221; as &#8220;drag.&#8221;\u00a0I couldn&#8217;t find a single Bible translation that shows the context of God &#8220;dragging.&#8221; In fact, the BDAG lexicon makes it clear that the context of John 6:44 is of God Himself with the meaning of &#8220;attract&#8221; for the purpose of drawing, attracting, a person in the direction of values for inner life.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-208\" title=\"John 6:44 means attract\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/john6-44.jpg?resize=574%2C290\" alt=\"John 6:44 means attract\" width=\"574\" height=\"290\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/john6-44.jpg?w=574&amp;ssl=1 574w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/john6-44.jpg?resize=300%2C151&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 574px) 100vw, 574px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<h2>Why does Calvinism apply a word meaning forceful dragging to God&#8217;s work on the human heart?<\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">There is nothing at all in the context surrounding John 6:44 that represents God&#8217;s force so it should be a mystery why Calvinism teaches God must use force on unwilling people to bring them to Christ. That is except for the fact that it is vital for the doctrine of Calvinism which must have a proof text even though the context of John 6:44 does not support the meaning of force. \u00a0After all, if a doctrine denies that anyone is capable of being attracted to Jesus, how else do they get to Jesus but to be dragged when they are unwilling and unable to respond? When you have an unbiblical idea, how can the truth be found in it? It is an honorable thing to ask these questions for we are all instructed to be Bereans.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">When we allow the Bible to speak for itself, it is clear that God can interpret His own terms. \u00a0Look at the very next verse, John 6:45.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">John 6:45 (NASB) \u201cIt is written in the prophets, \u2018AND THEY SHALL ALL BE <em><strong>TAUGHT<\/strong><\/em> OF GOD.\u2019 Everyone who has <em><strong>heard<\/strong><\/em> and <em><strong>learned<\/strong><\/em> from the Father, comes to Me.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">Notice that God is equating drawing with teaching. God does not connect the term &#8220;draw&#8221; to an Old Testament passage about God dragging people to Himself. Rather God says that His drawing is spoken of in the prophets as God teaching all. If you are a Calvinist, I would sincerely like to ask you to answer several questions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">1. Can you give me even one translation that renders John 6:44 as &#8220;drag&#8221;?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">2. Can you give me another New Testament example where the term &#8220;drag&#8221; is used regarding what is done to a man in a good way? (i.e. not an abusive act but a godly usage towards another human.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">3. Why do you think that the clear positive effort of God to attract and teach in the context of John 6:44 is forced into an unnatural meaning by using a term that is only used for humans in the New Testament in the context of abuse or judgment?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">4. Why do you tell people that &#8220;draw&#8221; in John 6:44 means drag? 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John 12:32 (NASB) \"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth will draw all men to Myself.\" Are all people drawn\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Calvinism&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Calvinism","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/category\/calvinism\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"John 12:32 Draw all men to Myself on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/draw-all-men-to-myself.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/draw-all-men-to-myself.jpg?resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/draw-all-men-to-myself.jpg?resize=525%2C300 1.5x"},"classes":[]},{"id":282,"url":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/you-believe\/","url_meta":{"origin":199,"position":3},"title":"God&#8217;s Work that you believe John 6:28, 29","author":"Cheryl Schatz","date":"January 10, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"What is the Work of God? In my last post, I discussed the phrase in John 6, which Calvinists ignore from their own proof text passage. In this post, we will deal with John 6:28, 29. 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Jesus promises all that the Father gives... Let's start our search into this passage by looking at the terms\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God's conditions&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God's conditions","link":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/category\/gods-conditions\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"All will Come on The Giving Blog by Cheryl Schatz","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/all-come.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/all-come.jpg?resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/all-come.jpg?resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/tg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/all-come.jpg?resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":1155,"url":"https:\/\/mmoutreach.org\/tg\/was-gods-wrath-satisfied-in-christ\/","url_meta":{"origin":199,"position":5},"title":"Was God&#8217;s Wrath Satisfied in Christ or Paid in Hell?","author":"Cheryl Schatz","date":"April 20, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"Was God's wrath satisfied in Christ? If so then how can sinners suffer God's wrath in hell? This question is one that is often asked by Calvinists to those who do not hold to the teaching of Calvinism. 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