The connection in John 6:64-65

The connection in John 6:64-65

John 6:64-65 connection on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

John 6:64, 65 Connection

In my post on John 6:64-65, I showed how the reason Jesus gives for why no one can come to Him unless it has been granted him from the Father, is connected back to verse 64 and unbelief.

John 6:64 (NASB) “But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.

One of the comments on that post suggested that the connection was not between verse 65 and verse 64, but was between verse 65 and verse 63. Here is the comment that I am responding to in this post:

Sorry, I disagree. Jesus’ statement in verse 65 is referring to verse 63. “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” Verse 64 is simply a narrative of the unbelief of those hearing, because they had not been given life by the Spirit. Then Jesus says in verse 65, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.”

John 6:64-65 connection

Here is a screen shot of the sentence structure showing the emphasis.

John 6:64-65 on The Giving blog by Cheryl SchatzThe phrase between the x marks is called a counterpoint. The counterpoint points to the more important Sentence Point shown between the check marks.

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The context surrounding John 6

The context surrounding John 6

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The context surrounding John 6

In explaining the meaning of John 6, we need to pay close attention to the context surrounding John 6 as well as the relevant context from the entire book of John. Here are some verses that are HIGHLY relevant and some questions for you to ponder.

John 1 and Questions

John 1:9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. (What does the true Light do?)

John 1:11–12 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name(Who were Jesus’ own that did not receive Him? Who did Jesus give the right to become children of God?)

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world(What is the sin of the world?)

John 1:45 Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the Law and also the Prophets wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” (When did Philip first believe in Jesus?)

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” (What does it mean that Nathanael had no deceit in him?)

John 1:48–49 Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” 49 Nathanael answered Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel.” (Why did Nathanael say that Jesus knew him? What was it that Jesus said to Nathanael that cause Nathanael to declare that Jesus is the Son of God and King of Israel?)

John 2 and Questions

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What can the spiritually dead do?

What can the spiritually dead do?

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1. The spiritually dead can hear

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 

2. The spiritually dead can respond 

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

And those who hear will live!

The screen shot below shows that in John 5:25b to “hear” means to give careful attention to, listen to, heed. It is an active listening that produces an action.

John 5:25b The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

What comes first? The spiritually dead hearing or the coming to life? What do you say?

 

Did Jesus guard the communion table?

Did Jesus guard the communion table?

Guarding the table on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

Guarding the table

In our discussion of Jesus, Judas, and the first communion, a Calvinist pointed me to an article by a Calvinist author. The article was said to refute the idea that Judas was commanded to partake of the first Lord’s Supper. I have already answered the first challenge using the inspired words and grammar from Scripture on my post here. In this new post, I will deal with another challenge that was included in the article by the Calvinist author who claims that Jesus would have guarded the table to keep Judas away from communion.

Guarding the communion table happens when people do not believe that Jesus died for all. It also happens when people believe that leaders have the responsibility to keep the sacrifice of Jesus away from those who are not part of their denomination or from those they consider insincere.

Did Jesus guard the table?

Because of the claim that Jesus would have kept Judas away from the communion table, it is important to look at any warning that Jesus gave before He commanded His twelve disciples to partake. We can look very carefully at all four of the gospels and find nothing that would prohibit any of the disciples from partaking. Jesus did not warn them not to partake and in fact, He did the opposite. Jesus commanded them all to partake of the elements of communion. In Mark 14:22 the term “take” is an imperative. An imperative is a command.

Mark_14_22_imperative on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

Did Jesus Conduct the table properly?

The article by the Calvinist author asks this question.

(3) Did Jesus conduct the Table properly?

Does Paul’s warning in 1 Corinthians 11 change the Lord’s supper from the way that Jesus first established it with the twelve disciples? I believe that Paul changed nothing about Communion, and instead, he upheld the original way it was given.

Jesus established that the meal was for all just as His death was for all.

Paul agrees with Jesus. Paul’s rebuke to the Corinthians about Communion was primarily about the exclusion of people. The Corinthians were not coming together in unity to celebrate but were being divisive and exclusive.

Paul identifies that their coming together as a church brought divisions. 

1 Corinthians 11:18 (NASB) For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it.

Within the one body, there were divisions and factions and in celebrating the meal, they were excluding and separating themselves. 

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Did Judas receive communion?

Did Judas receive communion?

Judas and communion on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

Did Judas receive communion? – a Challenge answered

My post on Judas Was Judas Predestined to be Lost? has been challenged. This post is an answer to that challenge.

I received a link to an article found here. The article was sent to me by a Calvinist who said it shows reasons why we can believe that Judas left before the Lord’s supper was served. The article says:

Mathew (Matt. 26:19-30), Mark (Mk. 14:10-26), and John (Jn. 13:1-30) indicate that Judas “may not” have partaken of the Lord’s Table.

The author states that Judas “could have” left between verses 25 and 26 in Matthew 26 and even though the text doesn’t say so, just because something is omitted does not mean it did not happen. It is true that just because something is omitted does not mean it didn’t happen. However, Matthew’s silence cannot contradict Luke’s specific words showing Judas was still there after communion was given. In fact, Luke is the ONLY gospel that directly tells us that Judas was still there until after communion.

Luke 22:19–22 (NASB) 19 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. 21 “But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Mine on the table. 22 “For indeed, the Son of Man is going as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”

Luke states that the bread and the wine were given while Judas was still there because Jesus identifies the hand of Judas with Him on the table. The author of the article suggests that we should take Luke’s account as topical and not in chronological order, however, I would like to prove that this cannot be true.

First of all Luke’s gospel was written from a chronological viewpoint as we find in Luke 1:3

Luke 1:3 (NASB) it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;

Luke wrote primarily in consecutive order with very few exceptions where he summarized. One such instance is John the Baptist where Luke summarized John’s end of life to give the focus over to the account of Jesus the Messiah. Luke is the account that we can trust was written with extra care to the order. No other gospel tells us exactly where Judas was during communion. Luke has the most precise detail put squarely into the mouth of Jesus who identifies the betrayer in their midst AFTER communion.

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For whom did Jesus die?

For whom did Jesus die?

For whom did Jesus Die? on The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

Here are two questions of great importance for both Calvinists and non-Calvinists alike. After the two questions, I would like to give a challenge to Calvinists.

For Whom did Jesus die?

Jesus died for:

1. The ungodly – Romans 5:6

2. Sinners – 1 Timothy 1:15

3. Paul – 1 Tim 1:13, 15, 16

4. The World – John 3:17

5. All men – 1 Timothy 2:4, 6

6. All – 2 Corinthians 5:15

7. The Many – Matthew 26:28

8. Enemies – Romans 5:10

9. His Friends – John 15:13

10. Us – 1 Thessalonians 5:10

11. His sheep – John 10:11

12. You – Luke 22:20 (Includes all twelve of the disciples) see my article at http://www.mmoutreach.org/tg/juda-2/ 

For Whom did Jesus NOT die?

1. ???????? (no Scripture found)

Challenge to Calvinists

1. Can you give even one clear Scripture that says Jesus did NOT die for someone or that He did NOT die for a class of people?

2. “The many” is a term with the article that is synonymous with the “whole” (see screenshot below). Can you find a single lexicon that lists the term “the many” as meaning “a few” or a “small amount”?

Roman 5 15 The Many from The Giving blog by Cheryl Schatz

John 6:37 and Dr. James White and – A response to the challenge

John 6:37 and Dr. James White and – A response to the challenge

James White and Cheryl Schatz on youtube

John 6:37 Responding to Dr. James White

I posted a YouTube video with my response to the challenges of Dr. James White. On July 24, 2014 Dr. White critiqued my article on John 6:37 posted here  http://www.mmoutreach.org/tg/come-john6-37/. Because of ill-health and ministry obligations I was not able to give my response on YouTube until now. I have posted my video response at http://youtu.be/lYK1cTaycDM.  I welcome discussion on this blog post. Your comments will be held in moderation the first time you post and I ask that you be respectful as all Christians belong to one Lord Jesus. I will continue to add responses in the next set of YouTube posts. I will create a blog post for each YouTube video and discussion can continue on these posts.

John 6:37, what a wonderful verse to discuss!

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